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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg good evening or

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good morning wherever you are around the

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world last week's episode of the ferric

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s certainly a lot of fun we had Stanton

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Friedman who some people call the Dean

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of UFO investigators and he's the kind

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of guy who will always stick to his guns

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so even though he asked him a few

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questions about what he does he

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basically maintained that he was right

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it was very interesting his reaction to

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James carry-ons book the Rosetta

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deception especially the question about

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the ghost Rockets being part of this

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disinformation campaign he said it was a

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lot of baloney but conceded Stan said

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that he had not read the book I gather

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he's gonna get his copy next week now

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just to let you know carry on has

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challenged Friedman to a debate okay let

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me just say without going into any more

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details we're working on it let's see if

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that comes to pass that's going to be a

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very interesting of course because carry

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on is also working on a book about

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Roswell and you can bet it's not going

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to be about spaceships probably not you

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know there is an internet rumor running

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around they summarized different extreme

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aspects of Roswell and then claimed that

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a certain number of known political

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figures and they specify predominantly

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Democrats were allegedly born in 1948

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roughly nine months later they had like

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10 or 12 different people I know some of

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you might have foreseen this but without

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going into detail I checked the birth

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dates of every single political figure

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on there and only one fell within the

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roughly nine month time frame slightly

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less by a

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the weeks and that was Al Gore so is Al

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Gore an alien hybrid where'd you see

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that I'll forward it to you

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no it's she's but I mean slow news day

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let's let's do some serious research

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here and not go off into the realm of

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some sort of weird son of Rod Serling

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approach here I mean there's a lot more

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important things to be focusing our

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attention on then coming up with these

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cockamamie theories man I'll tell you

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idle minds are the devil's playground

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I'll tell you what's crazy out there

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that's crazy but you know there are lots

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and lots of these internet rumors and

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they all have this little thing at the

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bottom saying please forward this you

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know to protect the world from being

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destroyed next week please support our

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political point of view whatever it is

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so we had from one of my friends this

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story about Roswell and the effect I'm

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gonna look at it right now

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let me see okay here it is right here

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here are the names and the political

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figures that were mentioned okay they

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mentioned Barack Obama senior who was

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born in 1936 by the way Al Gore

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Hillary Rodham William Clinton John

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Kerry Howard Dean Nancy Pelosi Dianne

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Feinstein Charles Schumer Barbara Boxer

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and Joe Biden as I said the only birth

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date to coincide was Al Gore so there

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you go no I don't know they all that

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list sounds like a bunch of zombies to

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me final paragraph and now you can stop

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wondering why they support the bill to

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help illegal aliens okay oh you should

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have given me the punchline

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little sooner there do you know it's

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more fun to wait till we discuss the

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entire issue before it all comes clearly

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out of focus right oh my god isn't that

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nice

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yeah yeah that was good that was funny

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he had me you had me going okay story

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coming out the past week

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that NASA has tested an impossible

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electric space drive okay that uses no

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propellant and found it works even when

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it is designed not to it's called the M

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drive it's using an electromagnetic wave

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to propel this engine okay now obviously

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it's not gonna get you past the speed of

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light you're not gonna go into warp

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drive but this is a serious thing this

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is serious development we have a small

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thread in our forums about it it's a

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serious thing that appears to involve

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testing new propulsion systems that

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supposedly violate the law of physics

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and we know of course it's Scotty once

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said you you know you can't violate the

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laws of physics no well is is there some

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sort of support group for that style of

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violation I understand there is going to

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be a special on Fox News about it that

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really it's an anti-christian plot no

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but we're talking about here free energy

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I guess yeah well I'd love to see that I

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mean wouldn't we all imagine of course

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has to operate in areas of low gravity

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so in outer space so you'd still need a

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way to take off and get space borne

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before you employ this special drive I

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suppose you know but remember it's still

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what thirty five years away from the

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time that warp drive will be invented

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ahead of first contact

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that's a Star Trek legend well if you

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saw the film Star Trek first contact I

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think it's about 2050 of course I won't

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be here then yeah I'll be lucky to make

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it that long I don't know people live

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longer now so it might be very possible

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we'll still be around

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I don't know anyway we're sticking with

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the UFO meme this week

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Don Berliner is joining us now Don has

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been involved in the UFO field for about

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three or four hundred years I think and

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he worked with

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I cap back in the 60s mm-hmm he wrote

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crash at Corona with Stanton Friedman

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and also UFO briefing document the best

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available evidence this is a guy who's

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been there he's done that as a matter of

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fact when we tried to get him on the

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show first he was skeptical because he

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didn't want to preach to the choir which

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I understand but of course we realize

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here in the power cast that we reach a

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lot of people we're not inbred into the

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UFO universe no they don't pay attention

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to this crazy little world of ours and

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therefore they don't know about all that

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stuff they basically go back and start

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over which I guess isn't kind of

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unfortunate it's one of the reasons why

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you bring in the veterans here so you

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get a sense of where they come from what

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they've discovered what they know and

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then we can build upon that have you

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ever heard of done doing a radio show I

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can't recall ever hearing him on the air

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you know I do not love to ask him about

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that this may be a first right we've had

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people who come on the para cast who do

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not generally do other radio shows well

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you know like Tedrow of noir cap doesn't

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do many shows Chuck Boulais Richard

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Haines of George Clark yes Jerry Clark

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I've known him for 40 years so I think

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he does it out of pity or something I'm

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not sure I know of course in the last

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what six years of his life Jim Mosely

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was a frequent guest on the power cast

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he was by the way on the first show now

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along with Brad stager who does go on a

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lot of shows by the way so we do get the

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people who don't go elsewhere and part

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of the reason is here is that we

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challenge them we don't make their lives

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easy and if they really want to be

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intellectually provocative if they

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really want put their opinions to the

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test this is the place to go I know

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we're kind of you know beating our own

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drum here but it's also true that so

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many of these paranormal shows out there

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they just say

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well tell me what you saw and they sit

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back and they're lazy and they don't ask

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the questions and so they can get away

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with anything and we don't want that

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here no not at all

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so this is gonna be interesting because

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I'm also going to ask Don about the

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things over at nightcap about the rumors

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at nightcap had been infiltrated by

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military disinformation agents because

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of the fact that the first had the CIA

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Admiral Helen Connor was on their board

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of governors because he was a friend of

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Donald Kehoe anyone would ask about I

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want to ask about Steven Greer stealing

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Don and Antonio who NASA's best

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available evidence briefing document

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funded by Laurance Rockefeller oh yeah

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Don Berliner training gene and Chris in

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the para cast

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para cast calm now you know folks we

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communicate with skype for this radio

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show so we network with Skype and Chris

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and I exchange chat messages and Skype

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unfortunately due to some changes in the

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Skype network which is of course owned

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by Microsoft now when you engage in the

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group conversation if you're using an

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older version like Chris is you can't

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see the messages on the screen so of

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course Chris can try mental telepathy

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there's a TV show from Canada called the

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listener where the protagonists the star

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of the show uses mental telepathy to

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solve crime so Chris you can try mental

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telepathy if that doesn't work Don

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Berliner had a better idea what was that

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done smoke signal well of course Chris

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you're an honorary member of an Indian

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tribe or something right not really

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burning the blanket is that what it is I

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haven't figured out how to how to do

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that properly I got the blanket catches

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on fire

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well you somebody else's blanket yeah

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good luck well welcome to the show Don I

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you know your name crops up occasionally

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you're one of those kind of under under

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the radar kind of guys of course I'm

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very familiar with your best available

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evidence document that you co-wrote with

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Antonio who næss under the auspices of a

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Laurance Rockefeller grant back in the

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mid 90s I want to talk about a little

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later in the show but welcome to the

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para cast it's an honor to have you on

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here well thank you very much

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now when I look up your background you

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go

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back to the 60s when you work for

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several years with Nike at the national

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investigations committee on aerial

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phenomena of course that was headed up

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by a major Donald Kehoe how did you get

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involved or interested in UFOs oh boy it

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goes all the way back to World War two I

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was tempted to say one but that's

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overdoing it well they say that about me

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okay actually they say the Revolutionary

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War was a little bit too late for me I

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was too old to participate it was a good

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one though I lived in an area in central

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Ohio where there's a great deal of

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aviation activity and I became an

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amateur airplane spotter I could

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identify everything that flew overhead

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or so I thought and start hearing

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reports coming back from the fighting

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fronts and things that nobody could

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explain the Foo Fighters and that's what

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triggered my interest I found providers

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to be personally insulting I was

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supposed to be able to figure out what

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they were but I couldn't and so I didn't

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I first got involved in the field in

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1952

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I just gotten out of the Air Force was

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waiting to get back into college and got

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together with a local newspaper reporter

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who suggested I try to worm my way into

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the ground observer Corps filter Center

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and since it was directly across the

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street from my dad's public accounting

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office where I was working waiting to

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get back into school I just walked over

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there one lunchtime fast pop the airman

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third class at the door and he fell for

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my line of nonsense well actually it

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wasn't nonsense it wasn't it wasn't true

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but I could quote Air Force regulations

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and I knew all the slang and all that

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sort of thing and he was impressed and

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so he showed me where the UFO reports

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were kept pointed me to a desk that

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no one else was using and walked away

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and I kept going back making notes of

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the sightings that came in to the ground

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observer Corps in fact after a while I

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talked to the the latest commanding

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officer of the place and he told me that

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his predecessor had told him not to file

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any UFO reports until I'd had a chance

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to look him over and I managed to keep a

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straight face because I had absolutely

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no authority but it gets got me on the

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inside of things a little bit and I

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liked it and then later on when I got a

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job on a newspaper the city editor found

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out about my interest I caught all the

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weird phone calls that came into the

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newsroom and got some good ones got some

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good stories out of it but it wasn't

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until I moved to Washington in the early

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60s and presented myself at the night

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app office and offered to be a volunteer

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that Richard Hall who was obviously

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overworked was happy to have any kind of

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help and I worked my way into it and

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became a full-time employee after a

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while well Don you mentioned your

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earliest I guess involvement in in your

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knowledge of UFOs where the Foo Fighters

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now Foo Fighters are a subject that you

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don't hear very many ufologists if you

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want to call them that and I I dunno you

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take exception to that term as I do but

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people who are interested in the subject

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of you know unexplained aerial

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phenomenon you ApS

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if you will don't normally talk about

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Foo Fighters that's it's almost a taboo

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subject it's almost a black hole in our

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knowledge of what these craft are and

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the number of sightings of these objects

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what do you think the Foo Fighters were

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how many reports are you aware of and

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was this something that only was

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affecting allied bomber flights and an

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aerial activity or was this something

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that was also impacting the Axis powers

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well take the last one first I've read a

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lot of

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rumors and reports that German and

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Japanese and Italian pilot encountered

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them I've never seen anything documented

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but I know Kehoe was convinced that the

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enemy pilots had seen these things too

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and it wouldn't be surprising but I've

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never seen anything really convincing on

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the subject as far as how many there

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were certainly in the hundreds we had

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vast numbers of aircraft over Western

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Europe in the last year of world war two

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and these pilots and other crew members

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were expert observers they had been

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trained in the instant identification of

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friendly and unfriendly airplanes and a

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lot of them saved lives by recognizing a

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German airplane that it was about to

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shoot him down but they had time to

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evaded and and also saved lives of

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American pilots who might have been shot

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down by our people if they hadn't been

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recognized as flying our airplanes so

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these were sharp people and they were

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trained and they were retested and

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retested so they were always current as

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far as what they were I consider them

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proto UFOs so let me ask about that

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preto UFOs leading to UFOs they weren't

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we didn't see objects we saw just large

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clothes in lights but they were

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sufficiently mysterious and never

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explained really that they should be

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under the UFO or you OAP heading I think

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and the explanations that the military

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gave for them were pretty pathetic

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as a mere fact that they allowed war

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correspondents to write about them

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suggest that they weren't ours we've got

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Don Berliner is joining gene and Chris

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independently leading the way for the

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nation compelling talk for every

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Don Berliner is joining the para cast

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with gene and Chris we were talking

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about the Foo Fighters and I want get

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also into the ghost Rockets because

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they're kind of looked at as similar

592
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things happening in similar times but

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with ghost Rockets you actually saw

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physical craft right yeah actually they

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were quite different Foo Fighters were

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limited to the latter part of 1944 and

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into 1945 and as far as I can tell they

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were seen only over enemy occupied

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territory as we were moving across

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Europe freeing countries they seemed to

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move ahead of the ghost rockets were

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seen primarily in over Sweden in 1946

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after the war and only for two or three

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months and they were seeing mainly in

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the dates to test time they were

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cylindrical like Rockets but they flew

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low and slow and silently which Rockets

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do not do the Swedes at first were quite

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open about it the Swedish government

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then they clamped down secrecy but they

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seemed serious about it finding out what

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they were the general feeling seemed to

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have been that they could have been

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improved versions of German rockets and

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missiles that were developed at the

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secret test base at peenemünde a-- on

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the shore of the baltic sea and improved

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by the soviets who took over that part

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of germany that turned out to be not the

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case but they they flew and some of them

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crashed into lakes of all things far as

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I know they never found anything and

623
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they were like the Foo Fighters

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completely unexplained but they were

625
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visually quite different

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alright are you familiar with gentleman

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by the name of James carry on yeah okay

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he was of course for while the

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international director of MUFON right he

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has a book out now called the Rosetta

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deception which basically refers to

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group of people engaged in smoke and

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mirrors and disinformation in large part

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to spook the Russians in the early days

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of the Cold War and he suggests the

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ghosts Rockets were part of that

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deception well I wonder if the Swedes

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whether you have gone along with that

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sort of thing they were neutral and very

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proud of it and very defensive about it

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and so obviously I don't know I think

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carians ideas what little I've read

643
00:30:30,029 --> 00:30:26,229
about them overall or hogwash I've

644
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interviewed enough military pilots and

645
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airline pilots to know that they they

646
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saw things same with radar operators

647
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they tracked things if it were a put-up

648
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job it would have had to involve an

649
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awful lot of people and everyone added

650
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to the list is a potential leaker old

651
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saying in the spying business the only

652
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way to keep the secret is to keep

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everybody else from knowing about it you

654
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know one person can take the secret to

655
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maybe not and if you have thousands of

656
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people involved it's to me inconceivable

657
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that a secret could be kept and there

658
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:16,629
are so many other wise very reputable

659
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people who have had close range

660
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daylight sightings frequently confirmed

661
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by radar that they would have had to be

662
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in on the the hoax or to hold up and say

663
00:31:39,379 --> 00:31:35,499
I've been told about sightings by people

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I've known for years and years and years

665
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beyond the time I was busily involved in

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the field and they had

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no point to tell me is a wild story they

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just weren't people like that I'd known

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known their behavior so I I don't know I

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haven't read his book it's not very high

671
00:32:07,460 --> 00:32:03,820
on my list of books to read so I I don't

672
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know much about what he think and

673
00:32:12,810 --> 00:32:10,330
probably won't fair enough fair enough

674
00:32:14,730 --> 00:32:12,820
let's just move further into the UFO

675
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history in which you were involved as an

676
00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:16,540
investigator okay you went to work with

677
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night half in the 60s now this actually

678
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extends from carry-ons book in a sense

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because one of the participants of this

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Rosetta deception was supposedly Rear

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Admiral RH Helen cutter who became the

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first head of the CIA and then after

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NICAP was formed he was a member of the

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board of governors he was a classmate of

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major Kehoe's did you know Admiral Helen

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cutter at all no I didn't he had

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resigned from NICAP apparently under

688
00:32:57,290 --> 00:32:53,920
pressure but not proven before I got

689
00:33:01,410 --> 00:32:57,300
there you say under pressure how so well

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his public statement backing Kehoe's

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position could not have been very

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popular with high-ranking people in the

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Pentagon made them look bad and so if it

694
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was suspected that he had been talked

695
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into keeping quiet shall we say whether

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00:33:25,710 --> 00:33:22,180
he was given leaked classified

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information to encourage him to shut up

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I don't know that's one way of doing it

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but he was very very helpful at first

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you know friend Akiho they were Naval

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Academy classmates and his public

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00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:43,870
statements were a significant part of my

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00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:48,970
cat's growth people believed him so you

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think maybe that his colleagues in the

705
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military said this is not good it

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doesn't look good

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be a gentleman be a patriot and shut up

708
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:02,460
well this certainly can be said and I

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can see where people have been shut up

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by what they thought was being let in on

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the real secret but which wasn't true

712
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anyway people in the secrecy business

713
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seemed to be awfully impressed by the

714
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whole thing

715
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I on the other hand didn't think much of

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it I and classified information when I

717
00:34:37,849 --> 00:34:33,500
was in the Air Force and it was a joke

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00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,859
mainly I worked in communication and I

719
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:40,320
had a top secret clearance and the only

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top secret communications we got were

721
00:34:50,330 --> 00:34:47,850
battlefield reports from Korea and I had

722
00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:50,340
to hand curry those over to the

723
00:34:57,380 --> 00:34:53,669
commanding officer and I naturally took

724
00:34:59,000 --> 00:34:57,390
a look at them and as a rule they ran

725
00:35:04,480 --> 00:34:59,010
three to four days behind the wire

726
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services that's no way to keep secrets

727
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:07,590
that's no way to be impressed by

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material that you think is deserving of

729
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secrecy the reports I took over there

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were public knowledge and so I didn't

731
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spill anything certainly I had respect

732
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for the system in that sense and also I

733
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:34,200
could have been caught at it but the

734
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people who have high clearances are

735
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usually a bit in awe of the system in

736
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Washington Post recently mentioned that

737
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they estimate the 850,000 Americans have

738
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top-secret clearances I think that's

739
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kind of risky

740
00:36:05,030 --> 00:35:59,220
somebody could gonna blab well somebody

741
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,040
does every so often but we were talking

742
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about Helen cutter I wish I had known

743
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him for my sake not necessarily his but

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he was out of my cap by the time I got

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there all right I'm gonna want to ask

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you also about the feeling on the part

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of some people about nightcap that

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because the Board of Governors was so

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heavily laden with military or

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ex-military people they felt it was

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maybe some kind of disinformation I mean

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you have a lot of paranoia going on Oh

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fanon now but let's break and then we'll

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get more into this Don Berliner is

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Ecker and you are tuned in to the para

857
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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

858
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:10,440
hear stuff here that you probably won't

859
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:13,380
hear anywhere else hear that George

860
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:16,890
Noory we have Don Bruin are joining us

861
00:41:22,819 --> 00:41:19,740
he has a long and storied career in UFO

862
00:41:26,269 --> 00:41:22,829
research he worked at night cap back in

863
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:26,279
the 1960s and Don you of course heard

864
00:41:33,019 --> 00:41:30,359
those stories those rumors at night cap

865
00:41:34,819 --> 00:41:33,029
had too many military connections we

866
00:41:37,970 --> 00:41:34,829
knew that at least one night at board

867
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:37,980
member who we thought was Air Force with

868
00:41:46,789 --> 00:41:43,049
CIA but see what people miss in general

869
00:41:49,309 --> 00:41:46,799
is that then I can't board might as well

870
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:49,319
not have existed there was a stretch of

871
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,660
something like 10 years where the board

872
00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:54,240
never had a meeting hey nobody was going

873
00:41:59,900 --> 00:41:55,950
to tell Kehoe how to run things

874
00:42:03,440 --> 00:41:59,910
he used board members when they gave him

875
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:03,450
good quotes but other than that they

876
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:06,410
were just nominal and they say he was

877
00:42:14,089 --> 00:42:09,480
pretty headstrong but it also pretty

878
00:42:17,150 --> 00:42:14,099
bright and he ran things so basically

879
00:42:20,210 --> 00:42:17,160
here having those people on the board

880
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:20,220
was done for publicity purposes not

881
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:21,710
because they could contribute anything

882
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:26,430
no they were expected to contribute and

883
00:42:33,529 --> 00:42:30,270
a lot of them did but as a board they

884
00:42:37,789 --> 00:42:33,539
didn't meet to make decisions it was all

885
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:37,799
Kehoe yeah well he thought so

886
00:42:42,349 --> 00:42:41,460
pijo lived a hundred miles away in the

887
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,359
Luray Virginia

888
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:45,000
and he came in about once a month for a

889
00:42:51,769 --> 00:42:49,680
couple of days and rushed around like

890
00:42:52,190 --> 00:42:51,779
crazy I've never seen anybody was such a

891
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:52,200
nerd

892
00:43:00,680 --> 00:42:56,730
and laid down lots of plans and ideas

893
00:43:03,049 --> 00:43:00,690
and then went home and we went back to

894
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:03,059
where we were doing business before he

895
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:03,660
got there

896
00:43:11,530 --> 00:43:06,150
so basically Richard Hall was the guy in

897
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:11,540
charge yeah yeah very very sharp guy a

898
00:43:19,789 --> 00:43:15,660
real intellectual had tremendous respect

899
00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:19,799
for the scientific method if I have any

900
00:43:25,549 --> 00:43:23,910
of that I owe to him and most of the

901
00:43:29,150 --> 00:43:25,559
things we did were his ideas

902
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:29,160
now I understand one of the complaints I

903
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:31,650
heard from another researcher that we've

904
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:34,230
had on the show the complaints is that

905
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:36,990
Kehoe was not such a good manager I

906
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:38,910
guess partly because he was seldom there

907
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:42,839
and therefore things really didn't get

908
00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:45,180
organized as well as they should the

909
00:43:49,549 --> 00:43:47,880
money issues were not handled and the

910
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:49,559
way they should be to keep the

911
00:43:54,799 --> 00:43:52,049
organization properly funded what's your

912
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:54,809
feeling sounds like you had interviewed

913
00:44:03,170 --> 00:43:58,770
me before I agree with most of that we

914
00:44:04,910 --> 00:44:03,180
didn't have an organization director who

915
00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,920
was not concerned with the subject

916
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:06,900
matter but just with organizational

917
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:09,569
matters we didn't have a business

918
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:13,730
manager Kehoe tried to do all of that I

919
00:44:18,980 --> 00:44:16,290
tried to help a little bit and keeping

920
00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:18,990
track of the finances because I had a

921
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:23,400
degree in accounting but I certainly

922
00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:27,380
wasn't in position to make policy and

923
00:44:35,299 --> 00:44:31,380
those of us who really did the work were

924
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:35,309
there because we wanted to see nightcaps

925
00:44:41,329 --> 00:44:39,750
aims achieved and oh he could have

926
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,339
charged more for memberships we could

927
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:44,400
have doubled the price of the UFO

928
00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:46,980
evidence report and probably sold this

929
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:50,280
as many but we had nobody looking at

930
00:44:57,740 --> 00:44:53,099
things from that standpoint and so we

931
00:45:00,220 --> 00:44:57,750
struggled financially and how much more

932
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:00,230
we could have accomplished if we'd had

933
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:02,910
well somebody concerned strictly with

934
00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:04,770
working with the press and doing nothing

935
00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:05,860
else

936
00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:09,340
somebody and say a business manager an

937
00:45:20,310 --> 00:45:17,110
organization manager we didn't and so we

938
00:45:22,770 --> 00:45:20,320
had far more members than any other

939
00:45:28,590 --> 00:45:22,780
organization we probably could have had

940
00:45:32,190 --> 00:45:28,600
twice as many but we just didn't go

941
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:32,200
about it that way I wish we had but it's

942
00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:33,370
a I don't know if we could have

943
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,460
accomplished a whole lot more okay now

944
00:45:40,350 --> 00:45:38,680
one of the things Kehoe talked about for

945
00:45:43,050 --> 00:45:40,360
many years was the existence in the

946
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:43,060
military or somewhere in the government

947
00:45:47,460 --> 00:45:44,890
of a silence group that yeah

948
00:45:49,110 --> 00:45:47,470
kept the UFO secrets but of course

949
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,120
earlier you were telling us that a

950
00:45:53,850 --> 00:45:50,800
secret in the hands of too many people

951
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:53,860
is gonna leak like a sieve mm-hmm

952
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,630
so yeah I think the government has some

953
00:46:00,780 --> 00:45:58,720
guilty knowledge of what UFOs really are

954
00:46:03,110 --> 00:46:00,790
that they're keeping a secret or are

955
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,120
they as confused as the rest of us I

956
00:46:09,180 --> 00:46:05,680
hope they've learned something is over

957
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:09,190
more than half a century they've had

958
00:46:18,270 --> 00:46:14,020
plenty of opportunities they may still

959
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:18,280
not know enough to feel confident in

960
00:46:27,060 --> 00:46:25,090
going public but that's just a guess I'm

961
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:27,070
afraid I don't know much more about what

962
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:28,570
the government has been up to than

963
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:30,850
anybody else I wish I did that's the

964
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:33,370
book I'd love to write but I don't

965
00:46:42,030 --> 00:46:36,810
really I don't know who to talk to so

966
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:42,040
but we got leaks as it was we got very

967
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:44,020
quiet support from people in the

968
00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:48,130
government the only obvious one

969
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:52,150
we had a young volunteer who was an

970
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:55,000
enlisted man in the Air Force and he was

971
00:46:59,880 --> 00:46:57,970
a driver and after he dropped the

972
00:47:02,730 --> 00:46:59,890
general off in the morning at whatever

973
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:02,740
meeting you was attending he drove over

974
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:05,230
to nightcap and helped us as a volunteer

975
00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:08,620
piling stuff and pasting up clippings

976
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:12,340
and whatnot I am certain the general

977
00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:15,910
knew about it but then they say we got

978
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:18,670
leaks and we made use of them when we

979
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:19,119
cool

980
00:47:27,329 --> 00:47:21,729
when we could do it without endangering

981
00:47:29,099 --> 00:47:27,339
the leaker but it took more than the

982
00:47:32,339 --> 00:47:29,109
collection of talents we had at night

983
00:47:34,739 --> 00:47:32,349
that we were in better position than

984
00:47:37,950 --> 00:47:34,749
anyone else has been I think we had

985
00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:37,960
people who knew how Washington works how

986
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:40,420
to get things done on Capitol Hill and

987
00:47:45,739 --> 00:47:43,329
we came very close to congressional

988
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:45,749
hearings on more than one occasion right

989
00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:49,930
but never well-done for some of our

990
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:52,599
younger listeners and and possibly some

991
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:55,089
of our listeners who work really have no

992
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:57,400
clue about nycap because we are we are

993
00:48:01,140 --> 00:47:59,170
going back quite a number of decades

994
00:48:03,989 --> 00:48:01,150
here why don't you give us a bit of an

995
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:03,999
idea of what Kiyo's original mandate was

996
00:48:11,209 --> 00:48:08,319
and how effective NICAP was with that

997
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:11,219
mandate and what ultimately went wrong

998
00:48:18,959 --> 00:48:14,680
well Kehoe was not the founder of

999
00:48:21,499 --> 00:48:18,969
nightcap there was a group of men who

1000
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:21,509
since been referred to as misguided

1001
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,079
visionaries headed up by Townsend Brown

1002
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:29,460
who was big on anti-gravity research

1003
00:48:36,499 --> 00:48:33,130
they started it they had their initial

1004
00:48:39,690 --> 00:48:36,509
capital was very quickly used up buying

1005
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:39,700
impressive office furniture and fittings

1006
00:48:45,089 --> 00:48:42,130
to impress people who came in the door

1007
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:45,099
and before they went belly-up they

1008
00:48:50,219 --> 00:48:47,619
grabbed Kehoe I think he was exactly a

1009
00:48:54,890 --> 00:48:50,229
member of their board and he took over

1010
00:48:58,529 --> 00:48:54,900
and they disappeared and Kehoe

1011
00:49:02,459 --> 00:48:58,539
established his position with his first

1012
00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:02,469
article in true magazine in the January

1013
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:07,329
1950 issue that the flying saucers as

1014
00:49:13,769 --> 00:49:10,690
they were called in were alien craft and

1015
00:49:16,769 --> 00:49:13,779
that the government knew it and was

1016
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:16,779
keeping what they knew secret and the

1017
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:20,710
drive was to convince people that Tito's

1018
00:49:26,370 --> 00:49:22,210
conclusions were correct

1019
00:49:29,579 --> 00:49:26,380
and along the way we picked up a lot of

1020
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:29,589
impressive support for it what we

1021
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:32,890
accomplished in the long run is

1022
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:36,580
a little harder to pinpoint they say

1023
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:38,410
they came close to getting congressional

1024
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:43,930
hearings in 64 we published the UFO

1025
00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:48,850
evidence report and the initial printing

1026
00:49:55,410 --> 00:49:51,790
was 5,000 we sold that out in short

1027
00:49:57,630 --> 00:49:55,420
order went to a second printing of 5,000

1028
00:49:59,790 --> 00:49:57,640
and on the back cover of the second

1029
00:50:02,550 --> 00:49:59,800
printing were quotes mainly from

1030
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:02,560
congressmen and Senators who had been

1031
00:50:08,780 --> 00:50:05,110
impressed by the by the book by the

1032
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:08,790
report people paid attention they and

1033
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,050
congressmen and Senators among others

1034
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:14,400
were not afraid to say so publicly I

1035
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,250
think our major achievement probably

1036
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:20,800
though was getting the ear of the

1037
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:24,130
mainstream press when things happen we

1038
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:27,580
were we would be inundated with calls

1039
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:30,910
not just from local papers and weeklies

1040
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:33,610
and such but some wire services and

1041
00:50:39,420 --> 00:50:37,300
network one day in the main office which

1042
00:50:43,140 --> 00:50:39,430
is hauled he was at one end of the

1043
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:43,150
office being interviewed by that CBS TV

1044
00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:46,650
crew I was at the other end being

1045
00:50:54,210 --> 00:50:51,160
questioned by a newly elected

1046
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:54,220
congressman who was also a full

1047
00:51:01,140 --> 00:50:56,950
professor of aeronautical engineering at

1048
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:01,150
a major university and that sort of

1049
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:03,660
thing went on all the time the press

1050
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:08,230
after a while started to trust us we

1051
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:10,090
were helped along by a bunch by the

1052
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,890
lunatic fringe which was so obvious we

1053
00:51:21,230 --> 00:51:16,800
were helped along by the Air Force which

1054
00:51:24,510 --> 00:51:21,240
kept putting out the same old story and

1055
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:24,520
each time it was lose a little more of

1056
00:51:27,900 --> 00:51:26,770
an impact I'll tell you what we have to

1057
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:27,910
listen to the impact of these

1058
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:30,010
announcements and we'll be back with Don

1059
00:51:37,310 --> 00:51:32,170
Berliner and Jean and Chris you're in

1060
00:51:43,620 --> 00:51:41,070
great minds think alike the network for

1061
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:43,630
the independent finding the genesis

1062
00:51:50,100 --> 00:51:48,310
communications network G C and do you

1063
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:50,110
ever feel like you live in an alternate

1064
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:52,690
universe cuz the stock market hits new

1065
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:55,020
highs the middle-class are dying

1066
00:51:59,610 --> 00:51:57,130
manipulated financial markets and

1067
00:52:01,950 --> 00:51:59,620
economic figures chaos on our border

1068
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:01,960
China and Russia bypassing the dollar

1069
00:52:07,230 --> 00:52:04,810
life is getting ready to change you need

1070
00:52:10,110 --> 00:52:07,240
to prepare to thrive in the new economy

1071
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:10,120
go to baby boomer back-up plan calm or

1072
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:12,370
call eight eight eight five zero seven

1073
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:14,530
eight seven eight nine that's eight

1074
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:16,930
eight eight five zero seven eight seven

1075
00:52:21,180 --> 00:52:19,090
eight nine we the people grow cotton

1076
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:21,190
wheat fabric engraving can bed strips

1077
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:22,780
and fibers to protect from counterfeit

1078
00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:24,610
and carding to a private bank having it

1079
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:25,720
led back at interest

1080
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:27,430
forcing taxes to service debt this

1081
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:29,290
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1082
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:30,760
stating a central bank issuing the

1083
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:32,410
public currency is a greater menace to

1084
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:33,520
the liberties of the people than a

1085
00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:35,260
standing army hi today understand I'm

1086
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:36,700
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1087
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:38,530
that explains our monetary system call

1088
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:42,040
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1089
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:45,250
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1090
00:52:52,110 --> 00:52:50,290
that's 800 686 to 237 there's a guy

1091
00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:52,120
named dr. Wallach who is anything but

1092
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:53,950
your typical doctor both a veterinarian

1093
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:56,230
and a naturopathic physician doc asks

1094
00:53:00,810 --> 00:52:57,850
why is this country spending more money

1095
00:53:02,730 --> 00:53:00,820
on health care by far and ranking 50th

1096
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:02,740
in health and longevity worldwide doc

1097
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:03,940
believes that people should empower

1098
00:53:07,260 --> 00:53:05,770
themselves with a basic understanding of

1099
00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:07,270
nutrition taking charge of their life

1100
00:53:11,490 --> 00:53:09,100
and attaining optimal health and

1101
00:53:12,930 --> 00:53:11,500
longevity through nutrition not by toxic

1102
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:12,940
pharmaceutical drugs that lead to side

1103
00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:14,650
effects that require more expensive and

1104
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:16,660
toxic pharmaceutical drugs talk about

1105
00:53:20,910 --> 00:53:18,310
being dependent on drug companies to our

1106
00:53:22,830 --> 00:53:20,920
own destruction no less this is clearly

1107
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:22,840
a deadly recipe Aquatics message is

1108
00:53:26,010 --> 00:53:24,250
resonating with an increasing number of

1109
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:26,020
Americans who are waking up to all the

1110
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:27,610
government and Big Pharma manipulation

1111
00:53:30,870 --> 00:53:29,320
of our health and health care system I

1112
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:30,880
like what doc Wallach is saying and

1113
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:32,410
doing to enlighten people about health

1114
00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:34,480
care now join forces with him to help

1115
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:35,830
this tireless crusader spread his

1116
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:38,230
message visit bright side been calm and

1117
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:39,910
listen to dr. Wallach steadly recipe

1118
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:42,220
lectures it makes a lot of sense and I

1119
00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:43,720
invite you to join our bright side

1120
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:44,380
Benteen

1121
00:53:52,620 --> 00:53:45,630
go to bright side then

1122
00:53:52,630 --> 00:53:55,980
[Music]

1123
00:54:03,040 --> 00:53:59,380
welcome back to to the para cast the

1124
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:03,050
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1125
00:54:14,260 --> 00:54:12,590
now here's Jane Steinberg done we're

1126
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:14,270
gonna want to cover a lot more subjects

1127
00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:16,520
in just nightcaps so let me speed this

1128
00:54:21,970 --> 00:54:19,640
up with a few concerns here so we don't

1129
00:54:25,060 --> 00:54:21,980
see that today at all we don't see that

1130
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:25,070
MUFON for example is conducting daily

1131
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:27,410
interviews they just have that TV

1132
00:54:32,530 --> 00:54:30,290
reality show about which the less said

1133
00:54:34,450 --> 00:54:32,540
to better but we don't have that kind of

1134
00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:34,460
reaction from the media as we did in the

1135
00:54:39,490 --> 00:54:37,070
60s then it was new and different now

1136
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:39,500
we're all old and jaded you do see

1137
00:54:46,420 --> 00:54:42,770
occasional coverage on local TV shows of

1138
00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:46,430
a UFO event it just disappears yeah yeah

1139
00:54:52,740 --> 00:54:48,950
I'm particularly interested in that

1140
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:52,750
because that's my background the press

1141
00:55:00,100 --> 00:54:56,690
newspapers scientific newsletters all

1142
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:00,110
sorts of stuff and that concerns me

1143
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:03,610
greatly but number one we're not getting

1144
00:55:12,310 --> 00:55:08,270
leads to potentially hot cases you look

1145
00:55:15,340 --> 00:55:12,320
at Peter Davenport's web site for

1146
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:15,350
instance and you look at the the latest

1147
00:55:22,900 --> 00:55:19,460
reports they're meaningless you don't

1148
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:22,910
know anything about the source except

1149
00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:24,610
more and more of them are absolutely

1150
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:28,910
anonymous means you can't follow up but

1151
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:31,310
there's just vague reports of funny

1152
00:55:38,140 --> 00:55:34,390
lights in the night sky that's not news

1153
00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:38,150
close up sighting by a 20-year veteran

1154
00:55:44,110 --> 00:55:40,840
airline captain that's a another matter

1155
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:44,120
but we're not getting those they may not

1156
00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:47,510
be happening or they may be happening

1157
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:51,350
and they aren't being reported I don't

1158
00:56:02,080 --> 00:55:57,970
know but we used to get newsworthy

1159
00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:02,090
sightings almost daily and in the really

1160
00:56:08,529 --> 00:56:06,200
busy times at least and so a reporter

1161
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:08,539
calling us and asking us

1162
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:12,049
what's new got something he got stories

1163
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:16,160
and an i capped like organization today

1164
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:19,849
couldn't do that not you have to have

1165
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:23,119
good investigation before a report

1166
00:56:29,529 --> 00:56:26,569
becomes meaningful and I don't see much

1167
00:56:31,449 --> 00:56:29,539
of that going on so let me ask you a

1168
00:56:34,449 --> 00:56:31,459
real key question that kind of follows

1169
00:56:36,939 --> 00:56:34,459
from that are we seeing as many UFOs

1170
00:56:39,999 --> 00:56:36,949
today as we did then or is it just a

1171
00:56:44,169 --> 00:56:40,009
matter of the fact that fewer instances

1172
00:56:45,549 --> 00:56:44,179
happen or is it that just people are

1173
00:56:49,299 --> 00:56:45,559
more or less discouraged from talking

1174
00:56:55,019 --> 00:56:49,309
about it I wish I had a simple answer I

1175
00:56:57,630 --> 00:56:55,029
don't the two organizations that

1176
00:57:00,219 --> 00:56:57,640
publicly collect sightings at

1177
00:57:03,130 --> 00:57:00,229
Davenport's group and move on are

1178
00:57:08,349 --> 00:57:03,140
getting a lot of reports not good ones

1179
00:57:13,689 --> 00:57:08,359
but at least numbers whether there are

1180
00:57:17,589 --> 00:57:13,699
more or less sightings I don't know we

1181
00:57:21,219 --> 00:57:17,599
never got hundreds of sightings at NICAP

1182
00:57:24,099 --> 00:57:21,229
but we got quality sightings oh it got

1183
00:57:26,769 --> 00:57:24,109
up to 15 to 18 a day for a while and

1184
00:57:29,699 --> 00:57:26,779
very busy times but see we didn't have

1185
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:29,709
access to email and the internet I

1186
00:57:34,329 --> 00:57:32,689
shudder to think company we would have

1187
00:57:36,489 --> 00:57:34,339
gotten if that had been the case I don't

1188
00:57:38,349 --> 00:57:36,499
think we could have handled it well that

1189
00:57:40,959 --> 00:57:38,359
almost argue in favor of there being

1190
00:57:43,239 --> 00:57:40,969
more cases because it's easier for

1191
00:57:45,579 --> 00:57:43,249
people to report it and the fact is

1192
00:57:48,189 --> 00:57:45,589
there aren't but still occasionally you

1193
00:57:51,669 --> 00:57:48,199
run into a case that seems fairly

1194
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:51,679
compelling so sighs if the UFOs have

1195
00:57:59,739 --> 00:57:56,390
left us well whether or not there are

1196
00:58:04,689 --> 00:57:59,749
more cases or we're merely hearing about

1197
00:58:08,019 --> 00:58:04,699
a different percentage of them see back

1198
00:58:11,939 --> 00:58:08,029
in the 60s there were two organizations

1199
00:58:14,429 --> 00:58:11,949
that you could report to three

1200
00:58:19,959 --> 00:58:14,439
organizations that were widely respected

1201
00:58:21,489 --> 00:58:19,969
the Air Force and nycap today the

1202
00:58:22,420 --> 00:58:21,499
average person doesn't have the faintest

1203
00:58:25,329 --> 00:58:22,430
idea who

1204
00:58:27,809 --> 00:58:25,339
reporter citing to ya female on the

1205
00:58:32,349 --> 00:58:27,819
Internet in which case he will be

1206
00:58:35,940 --> 00:58:32,359
overwhelmed with worthless UFO sites and

1207
00:58:38,740 --> 00:58:35,950
probably give up I I once got a call

1208
00:58:43,420 --> 00:58:38,750
from a guy who has worked for the FAA

1209
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:43,430
for 40 years still worked for them he

1210
00:58:47,290 --> 00:58:44,809
and his wife had had a sighting from

1211
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:47,300
their private plane up near Camp David

1212
00:58:53,950 --> 00:58:51,470
the presidential retreat and he said he

1213
00:58:56,170 --> 00:58:53,960
had spent all morning trying to find

1214
00:58:57,819 --> 00:58:56,180
somebody who would listen to him now

1215
00:59:01,599 --> 00:58:57,829
this is a guy who knew how Washington

1216
00:59:05,890 --> 00:59:01,609
operated who who to call and he happened

1217
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:05,900
to call the library of the National Air

1218
00:59:11,380 --> 00:59:07,849
and Space Museum which had to be a

1219
00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:11,390
desperation and whoever he talked to

1220
00:59:16,059 --> 00:59:14,750
knew of my interest he called me and we

1221
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:16,069
went on from there it was a good

1222
00:59:24,460 --> 00:59:19,970
daylight sighting by a good witness but

1223
00:59:27,579 --> 00:59:24,470
I suspect that most people don't know to

1224
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:27,589
whom to report a sighting there's always

1225
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:32,480
been a great reluctance to report afraid

1226
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:35,930
of ridicule this goes for the average

1227
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:40,190
Joe and for a congressman well or maybe

1228
00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:45,680
average Joe should be above them but the

1229
00:59:50,829 --> 00:59:48,440
more important of a person's reputation

1230
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:50,839
is to them the the greater the

1231
00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:52,970
hesitation to repair the less likely

1232
00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:54,559
they are to report it well you might

1233
00:59:59,710 --> 00:59:57,140
wonder I want to ask P Howe what he

1234
01:00:02,349 --> 00:59:59,720
would do if he had a sighting he said he

1235
01:00:05,890 --> 01:00:02,359
wouldn't dream of reporting it he said

1236
01:00:08,410 --> 01:00:05,900
who's gonna believe me really that

1237
01:00:11,710 --> 01:00:08,420
source from the FAA if you call the FAA

1238
01:00:14,620 --> 01:00:11,720
today with a you know let's say a

1239
01:00:17,650 --> 01:00:14,630
quality daylight sighting they refer you

1240
01:00:19,289 --> 01:00:17,660
on to Bigelow Aerospace in Las Vegas

1241
01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:19,299
Robert Bigelow

1242
01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:23,960
I know big well well that's that's where

1243
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:28,369
the FAA is telling people to to call in

1244
01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:30,710
report in their sightings what do you

1245
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:33,560
think of big lows involvement in

1246
01:00:38,890 --> 01:00:36,920
vacuum cleaning up sighting reports and

1247
01:00:41,830 --> 01:00:38,900
and especially quality ones landed

1248
01:00:45,310 --> 01:00:41,840
objects good daylight sightings have you

1249
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:45,320
followed his particular saga over the

1250
01:00:51,220 --> 01:00:48,710
last only the beginning of it which is a

1251
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:51,230
number of years ago I don't know if he

1252
01:01:00,120 --> 01:00:55,010
does with reports whether he has people

1253
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:00,130
to investigate them whether he publishes

1254
01:01:09,340 --> 01:01:03,890
reanalysis of sightings I had have no

1255
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:09,350
idea but when I was part of a briefly

1256
01:01:18,460 --> 01:01:12,530
active organization called the UFO

1257
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:18,470
research coalition it brought under an

1258
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:22,130
umbrella the fund for UFO research MUFON

1259
01:01:28,780 --> 01:01:26,390
and the Hynek Center for UFO studies the

1260
01:01:31,810 --> 01:01:28,790
idea of being that together we could

1261
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:31,820
work on bigger projects and it worked

1262
01:01:38,380 --> 01:01:35,630
for a while but then that the money came

1263
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:38,390
from Bigelow and we decided what to work

1264
01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:42,790
on it was a reasonable division of labor

1265
01:01:48,970 --> 01:01:46,030
because we knew the field and he didn't

1266
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:48,980
but then he decided that he knew more

1267
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:50,810
than we did he would have veto power

1268
01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:53,450
over anything we wanted to do and that

1269
01:01:58,810 --> 01:01:56,060
was the end of it but he had some

1270
01:02:01,420 --> 01:01:58,820
strange ideas or ideas that we didn't

1271
01:02:04,990 --> 01:02:01,430
get along with well could you give us

1272
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:05,000
some four instances there oh he got into

1273
01:02:14,170 --> 01:02:09,230
something he called no she can't even

1274
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:14,180
think of it consciousness survival have

1275
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:16,850
a human conscious conscience or

1276
01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:20,390
conscious survives death and a lot of

1277
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:23,420
these things working together could do

1278
01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:26,840
big stuff it wasn't clear then and it's

1279
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:28,360
less clear to me now

1280
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:33,680
but pretty far out ideas and we were all

1281
01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:37,810
pretty much nuts and bolts typed and

1282
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:39,950
where's the connection between

1283
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:42,950
consciousness studies and UFOs I think

1284
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:44,720
it's an interesting it's an interesting

1285
01:02:49,330 --> 01:02:47,030
possibility but

1286
01:02:52,210 --> 01:02:49,340
what could you glean from his interest

1287
01:02:54,820 --> 01:02:52,220
in these you know rather out there

1288
01:02:55,690 --> 01:02:54,830
subjects as they relate to UFOs I don't

1289
01:02:59,010 --> 01:02:55,700
see the connection

1290
01:03:05,130 --> 01:02:59,020
I don't either and and the coalition

1291
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:05,140
board didn't either but he wanted these

1292
01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:08,210
subjects to be investigated and for us

1293
01:03:14,830 --> 01:03:10,100
to be involved in it and it just didn't

1294
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:14,840
work we averaged 15 20 years experience

1295
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:18,890
in the UFO field and we were there only

1296
01:03:26,980 --> 01:03:22,310
because he needed our experience and

1297
01:03:31,030 --> 01:03:26,990
whatever wisdom resulted from it and so

1298
01:03:33,310 --> 01:03:31,040
when he changed the the rules we lost

1299
01:03:34,740 --> 01:03:33,320
interest let's do our break now and then

1300
01:03:38,410 --> 01:03:34,750
we'll get back to this

1301
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:38,420
oh it's fascinating possibilities here

1302
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:40,970
Don Berliner is with Jean and Chris

1303
01:03:50,980 --> 01:03:48,290
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1317
01:04:25,090 --> 01:04:22,970
there's the coming of the protectors a

1318
01:04:27,370 --> 01:04:25,100
former military intelligence man is

1319
01:04:29,410 --> 01:04:27,380
contacted by a space woman in a dream a

1320
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:29,420
dream that turns out to be a nightmare

1321
01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:31,610
because evil forces on our distant

1322
01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:33,350
planet are planning to conquer the earth

1323
01:04:38,710 --> 01:04:35,990
this is gripping science fiction of the

1324
01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:38,720
classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

1325
01:04:42,550 --> 01:04:40,190
the coming of the protectors

1326
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:42,560
find out more at Rocko it's calm that's

1327
01:04:47,770 --> 01:04:46,330
rock oh it's our Ock oids calm

1328
01:04:50,260 --> 01:04:47,780
quantitative easing

1329
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:50,270
unemployment at depression levels Europe

1330
01:04:54,460 --> 01:04:52,370
financial system falling apart China

1331
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:54,470
getting out of US Treasuries at the end

1332
01:04:59,260 --> 01:04:57,110
of 2008 the time of tarp the national

1333
01:05:00,520 --> 01:04:59,270
debt was at eleven trillion gold trading

1334
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:00,530
around 850

1335
01:05:05,020 --> 01:05:03,410
per ounce close to 2012 the national

1336
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:05,030
debt exceeded sixteen point four

1337
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,970
trillion Gaul doubled to $1600 promised

1338
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:09,680
the 20 trillion threshold for the

1339
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:12,050
national debt is inevitable politicians

1340
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:13,730
in Washington have a ferocious appetite

1341
01:05:18,910 --> 01:05:16,310
for spending and stimulus what's worse a

1342
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:18,920
printing press to finance 100 years ago

1343
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:20,810
we had a gold standard to limit this

1344
01:05:24,730 --> 01:05:22,850
madness but now you have to adopt your

1345
01:05:27,340 --> 01:05:24,740
own gold standard don't be fooled with

1346
01:05:44,940 --> 01:05:27,350
paper promises get Midas resources 10

1347
01:05:44,950 --> 01:06:07,660
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1348
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:10,180
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Kristin the parent cast as you see he's

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been involved in UFO research for many

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01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:18,550
many years

1390
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:20,140
we're talking of course about the

1391
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:23,170
connections between Bigelow every time

1392
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:24,850
people get connected with Bigelow there

1393
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:28,570
are always terms and conditions I mean

1394
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:30,610
saw famously what happened with MUFON

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01:08:37,380 --> 01:08:34,450
yeah yeah it's a it just didn't work for

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01:08:39,450 --> 01:08:37,390
us and so we parted company not on the

1397
01:08:42,330 --> 01:08:39,460
best of terms parted company

1398
01:08:48,500 --> 01:08:42,340
it was the timeframe done are we talking

1399
01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:51,800
something like that well let's see

1400
01:08:58,800 --> 01:08:54,910
when did the best available evidence

1401
01:09:02,010 --> 01:08:58,810
come out I think that was 94 wasn't it I

1402
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:02,020
know I've a little before that okay so

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01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:06,250
93 94 how long in there yeah you know

1404
01:09:08,970 --> 01:09:07,120
it's interesting

1405
01:09:12,690 --> 01:09:08,980
Bigelow's name of course has come up in

1406
01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:12,700
in many different ways most notably of

1407
01:09:17,940 --> 01:09:15,100
course is the Sherman ranch up in the

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01:09:19,350 --> 01:09:17,950
Uintah Basin of Utah the George Knapp

1409
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:19,360
and Colm Keller who wrote a book called

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01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:20,190
hunt

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01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:23,759
skinwalker and some of the papers that

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01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:26,130
needs the National Institute for

1413
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:29,250
discovery Sciences published in the late

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01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:32,190
90s which were actually and into the

1415
01:09:39,170 --> 01:09:34,170
early 2000s they did publish some

1416
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,180
interesting papers nothing that really I

1417
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:41,460
think dealt with the UFO subject in

1418
01:09:49,300 --> 01:09:45,750
general they were focusing let's say on

1419
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:49,310
the Montana waves or black triangles or

1420
01:09:56,689 --> 01:09:53,279
specific unexplained livestock death

1421
01:09:58,670 --> 01:09:56,699
cases and whatnot someone like a Bigelow

1422
01:10:03,290 --> 01:09:58,680
do you think that they have a

1423
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:03,300
responsibility to publish the

1424
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:04,890
information or do you think this whole

1425
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:07,410
idea of proprietary information and in

1426
01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:11,550
the privacy of data is one that that he

1427
01:10:17,420 --> 01:10:15,210
can stand behind and and not present any

1428
01:10:20,330 --> 01:10:17,430
sort of papers to the public or or

1429
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:20,340
present any sort of data at all well I

1430
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:23,910
mean it's his money we can do pretty

1431
01:10:29,330 --> 01:10:26,190
much what he wants with it I would like

1432
01:10:31,790 --> 01:10:29,340
to see more publications investigations

1433
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:31,800
of your reports I don't know why he

1434
01:10:37,420 --> 01:10:34,770
would want to sit on that but there you

1435
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:37,430
can't tell him that he has to do it

1436
01:10:45,380 --> 01:10:41,610
because he doesn't so we didn't run into

1437
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:45,390
that problem while we were working with

1438
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:48,690
him we decided what would be published

1439
01:10:57,130 --> 01:10:53,400
and it was published he didn't but I I

1440
01:11:00,140 --> 01:10:57,140
can see where he may be looking for

1441
01:11:03,890 --> 01:11:00,150
advanced technology ideas that he can

1442
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:03,900
use in Bigelow Aerospace mm-hmm and he

1443
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:05,489
certainly wouldn't want those be

1444
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:07,320
publicized where other way but he could

1445
01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:10,170
get their hands on but as far as just

1446
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:13,980
UFO sightings are concerned I don't know

1447
01:11:21,170 --> 01:11:18,480
I think it's unfortunate but that's

1448
01:11:23,660 --> 01:11:21,180
about as far as I can go with it well it

1449
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:23,670
seems to me that if you have the federal

1450
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:26,489
Aeronautics administration funnelling

1451
01:11:30,709 --> 01:11:29,250
sighting reports to a private individual

1452
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:30,719
there should be some sort of

1453
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:34,910
accountability there at least in mind

1454
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:40,390
you can't privatize information that is

1455
01:11:48,910 --> 01:11:44,450
gathered or forwarded by some sort of

1456
01:11:51,370 --> 01:11:48,920
public you know government agency or

1457
01:11:54,820 --> 01:11:51,380
administration my point being if he's

1458
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:54,830
collecting you know gobs of data through

1459
01:11:59,020 --> 01:11:57,170
the FAA through a pilot reports that

1460
01:12:01,480 --> 01:11:59,030
sort of thing Tedrow and Richard Haines

1461
01:12:05,470 --> 01:12:01,490
should be should be involved in that

1462
01:12:08,170 --> 01:12:05,480
loop he should be at least reporting the

1463
01:12:09,190 --> 01:12:08,180
kinds of sighting reports that are

1464
01:12:11,290 --> 01:12:09,200
afforded by the FAA

1465
01:12:14,770 --> 01:12:11,300
back to the organizations that represent

1466
01:12:17,470 --> 01:12:14,780
the people and that's something I think

1467
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:17,480
is important yeah I just agree on this

1468
01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:21,170
point I don't think he's the FAA is

1469
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:23,990
forwarding reports or information I

1470
01:12:30,250 --> 01:12:27,370
think they're merely referring reporters

1471
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:30,260
witnesses say don't bother to wrestle

1472
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:32,330
with this bother Bigelow so that's

1473
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:35,690
basically an excuse what that that's an

1474
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:37,370
excuse on their part just to get these

1475
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:40,010
people off their backs I'd go to him

1476
01:12:47,310 --> 01:12:42,770
instead yeah what what does the FAA have

1477
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:47,320
to gain by collecting UFO reports and so

1478
01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:52,330
individual FAA employees have had been

1479
01:12:58,750 --> 01:12:55,490
beneficial to nycap at times but as an

1480
01:13:03,190 --> 01:12:58,760
organization it wasn't we didn't get

1481
01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:03,200
reports from them they may have told

1482
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:07,240
people to contact NICAP I don't know but

1483
01:13:18,210 --> 01:13:12,800
there was no transfer of content of

1484
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:18,220
reports from FAA through a private group

1485
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:21,170
okay well he's got it made in the shade

1486
01:13:29,170 --> 01:13:25,010
then well hey you know he's got a whole

1487
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:29,180
bunch of money and he like suspended on

1488
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:32,270
things that amuse him I probably would

1489
01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:36,170
if I had it to but okay you say amuse

1490
01:13:41,470 --> 01:13:39,380
him so is this involvement in paranormal

1491
01:13:43,170 --> 01:13:41,480
research just sort of a hobby with him

1492
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:43,180
where he's just having a good time

1493
01:13:50,300 --> 01:13:46,380
playing around with his excess cash

1494
01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:50,310
well I think I figured it out that way

1495
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:53,030
it may have developed into more as I say

1496
01:13:59,450 --> 01:13:55,800
with the UFO reports he may be looking

1497
01:14:02,180 --> 01:13:59,460
for evidence of advanced technology that

1498
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:02,190
he could you guys and so because there

1499
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:05,010
Bigelow Aerospace is a significant part

1500
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:06,330
of this operation now

1501
01:14:13,730 --> 01:14:09,480
yeah and so it started out as a sideline

1502
01:14:17,210 --> 01:14:13,740
duh well there's also the the factor of

1503
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:17,220
losing his son at a fairly early age and

1504
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:19,410
his obsession with with attempting to

1505
01:14:24,380 --> 01:14:22,410
contact him and in or get involved in

1506
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:24,390
conscience consciousness studies with

1507
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,730
that as the motivation I've heard that

1508
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:28,860
from a number of people haha well I

1509
01:14:36,230 --> 01:14:32,910
wasn't aware of that yeah well you know

1510
01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:36,240
the reason yeah people have to have

1511
01:14:39,380 --> 01:14:37,680
motivations especially when they're

1512
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:39,390
throwing you know six and seven-figure

1513
01:14:45,710 --> 01:14:43,080
budgets at them well that that's what he

1514
01:14:51,050 --> 01:14:45,720
was offering the UFO research coalition

1515
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:51,060
that kind of money and yeah but it

1516
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:54,690
stings a test you know it well it wasn't

1517
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:58,050
we didn't even go that far we were so

1518
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,330
unaccustomed to dealing with money in

1519
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:03,360
that such quantities we didn't come up

1520
01:15:08,380 --> 01:15:06,420
with big project we'd never had any

1521
01:15:12,740 --> 01:15:08,390
reason to because we knew we couldn't

1522
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:12,750
finance them and so we kept coming over

1523
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:16,440
a small project worth it oh four and

1524
01:15:22,970 --> 01:15:20,460
five figures and so I think we could

1525
01:15:24,500 --> 01:15:22,980
have learned if things had gone on

1526
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:24,510
longer its own league lasted about a

1527
01:15:36,590 --> 01:15:32,960
year but what his true motivations were

1528
01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:36,600
he never let on no I know he plays

1529
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:38,580
things very close to the best well you

1530
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:41,370
know a project that really first alerted

1531
01:15:49,430 --> 01:15:44,570
me to you and your work was the

1532
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Rockefeller initiative that the impart

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ended up becoming the best available

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01:15:58,940 --> 01:15:55,440
evidence a document that you and Antonio

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who næss put together and and when we

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come back from

1537
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:02,580
next break it'd be really interesting to

1538
01:16:09,710 --> 01:16:07,110
hear your memory of how that whole

1539
01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:09,720
initiative began with Bootsy Galbreath

1540
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and sandy Wright and others who were

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involved in this and it would be great

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to get your first-hand knowledge of how

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that project it was initiated and and

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the kinds of things that you had to go

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Antonio mm-hmm we'll do that right after

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[Music]

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we have Don Berliner joining us this

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01:21:17,260 --> 01:21:13,800
week with gene and Chris I'm the para

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cast of course he was involved in this

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document UFO briefing document the best

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available evidence with our old friend

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Antonio who næss can you tell us more in

1656
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response to Chris's question yeah

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the first contact we had with it was

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01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:36,090
when this is over as contacted one of us

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01:21:43,130 --> 01:21:39,930
I forget which one and asked if we could

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have a special meeting of the board of

1661
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:47,310
the UFO research coalition and we got

1662
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:50,490
together with her in Chicago she

1663
01:21:58,360 --> 01:21:54,060
described her activities with Laurance

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Rockefeller now she was directing his

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investment well no it was an investment

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to expect return his spending money on

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01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:09,510
UFO projects he didn't know the field

1668
01:22:15,950 --> 01:22:12,560
well enough and so she handled it and

1669
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:15,960
she used as their office

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01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:17,970
you mentioned the woman's name now I've

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01:22:23,620 --> 01:22:20,580
forgotten that the sandy right sandy

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01:22:29,150 --> 01:22:23,630
right yeah she just used her office and

1673
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:29,160
at that meeting she posed the idea of

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:32,970
the best available evidence report we

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01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:35,370
liked it I had I agreed to write it at

1676
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:40,650
that point and I never had any contact

1677
01:22:46,580 --> 01:22:43,770
with Rockefeller in this not even a

1678
01:22:49,730 --> 01:22:46,590
phone call but I worked strictly with

1679
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:49,740
mrs. Galbraith gradually learning to

1680
01:22:55,580 --> 01:22:53,310
call her Bootsy which I thought was kind

1681
01:23:01,100 --> 01:22:55,590
of funny I like talking to somebody toy

1682
01:23:07,940 --> 01:23:01,110
poodle but a very very bright woman very

1683
01:23:11,620 --> 01:23:07,950
talented and then I handled the the case

1684
01:23:16,879 --> 01:23:11,630
books part of it and she and Antonio did

1685
01:23:20,790 --> 01:23:16,889
the quotes from important people and

1686
01:23:25,859 --> 01:23:20,800
we printed up a thousand copies and they

1687
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:25,869
were distributed by hand to people we

1688
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:28,570
felt might be able to do something if

1689
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:33,369
sufficiently impressed this meant people

1690
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:36,730
in government the scientific community

1691
01:23:47,189 --> 01:23:43,710
in the diplomatic corps busy people and

1692
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:47,199
if you look through the book you see it

1693
01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:51,249
can be read quickly piece by piece it's

1694
01:24:00,330 --> 01:23:56,860
not a story and so we did get close to a

1695
01:24:02,339 --> 01:24:00,340
thousand copies out there and some very

1696
01:24:07,319 --> 01:24:02,349
important people including heads of

1697
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:07,329
state got their copies from people they

1698
01:24:13,410 --> 01:24:10,960
knew we didn't mail them to them they

1699
01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:13,420
get too much as it is and don't see much

1700
01:24:20,339 --> 01:24:17,409
of it but mrs. Galbraith for instance

1701
01:24:24,180 --> 01:24:20,349
knew a number of heads of state from her

1702
01:24:28,370 --> 01:24:24,190
days in the US Embassy in Paris where

1703
01:24:32,930 --> 01:24:28,380
her now late husband was our ambassador

1704
01:24:37,529 --> 01:24:32,940
and so we felt it was a rare opportunity

1705
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:37,539
to get our ideas out to people as they

1706
01:24:43,799 --> 01:24:40,900
say could if impressed do something

1707
01:24:46,319 --> 01:24:43,809
about it make a difference well even

1708
01:24:49,259 --> 01:24:46,329
greer was was one did got a copy of it

1709
01:24:52,379 --> 01:24:49,269
early on oh yeah was involved before

1710
01:24:54,989 --> 01:24:52,389
that in fact he had talked to him about

1711
01:24:57,509 --> 01:24:54,999
it before she talked to us apparently

1712
01:25:02,489 --> 01:24:57,519
every time they discussed it the price

1713
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:02,499
jumped up and he ended up wanting to put

1714
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:05,289
together a whole permanent organization

1715
01:25:13,140 --> 01:25:10,449
and what he wanted from Rockefeller was

1716
01:25:15,109 --> 01:25:13,150
in seven figures and it was that

1717
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:15,119
absolutely preposterous

1718
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:18,249
so maybe the greed factor was involved

1719
01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:21,130
there with Greer's position well I think

1720
01:25:26,580 --> 01:25:23,230
he wanted to be somebody very important

1721
01:25:28,830 --> 01:25:26,590
in the field well he preempted the

1722
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:28,840
release of the the document by release

1723
01:25:32,220 --> 01:25:29,710
in his own version

1724
01:25:35,910 --> 01:25:32,230
putting his name on it oh yeah I got a

1725
01:25:38,190 --> 01:25:35,920
copy of that woman give us a kind of run

1726
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:38,200
us through that that scenario and in how

1727
01:25:42,660 --> 01:25:40,170
that happened I remember at the time

1728
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:42,670
there was some people that were not very

1729
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:45,370
happy about that I was one of them in

1730
01:25:51,740 --> 01:25:48,070
fact yeah in Antoniou as well and sandy

1731
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:51,750
right and others well we hired a very

1732
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:55,840
big Washington law firm that put

1733
01:26:01,170 --> 01:25:57,610
pressure on greer and he stopped

1734
01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:01,180
distributing it but yeah what'd he get

1735
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:05,340
what happened sandy right gave him I

1736
01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:10,540
guess who was a disc of a draft of the

1737
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:15,780
report not the final and he took it and

1738
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:19,210
made some changes in it he kept my name

1739
01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:21,489
on it otherwise it would have been

1740
01:26:28,590 --> 01:26:26,500
plagiarism and easy to prove and made it

1741
01:26:32,610 --> 01:26:28,600
look like it the whole thing was done by

1742
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:32,620
his group C SETI which was certainly not

1743
01:26:39,630 --> 01:26:37,360
the case and they see we had to get the

1744
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:39,640
help of a powerful law firm to stop him

1745
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:45,730
and sandy right unfortunately was

1746
01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:47,410
involved in that she got him the copy

1747
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:51,270
what happened he claimed that he didn't

1748
01:26:58,530 --> 01:26:54,610
violate our copyright because he only

1749
01:27:02,790 --> 01:26:58,540
printed up a draft well it seems that

1750
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:02,800
his attorney wasn't very good turns out

1751
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:04,810
she didn't even belong to her local bar

1752
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:11,440
associations yeah I wouldn't take a

1753
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:16,239
fender-bender to her but she apparently

1754
01:27:22,709 --> 01:27:19,810
told him that giraffes aren't coffee

1755
01:27:25,110 --> 01:27:22,719
covered by the eventual copyright of the

1756
01:27:27,540 --> 01:27:25,120
final version and that doesn't happen to

1757
01:27:34,140 --> 01:27:27,550
be the case I think it was years and

1758
01:27:38,670 --> 01:27:34,150
years ago but she had no case and so he

1759
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:38,680
gave in and so it I don't know what he's

1760
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:42,910
done since then but I was slipped a copy

1761
01:27:47,970 --> 01:27:43,840
by someone

1762
01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:47,980
who had gotten it from Greer well he's

1763
01:27:53,130 --> 01:27:50,800
training ambassadors to the universe in

1764
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,140
fact he has a training coming up this

1765
01:27:58,890 --> 01:27:56,080
weekend the Joshua Tree Chris unelected

1766
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,900
spokespersons to the ETS I'm trying to

1767
01:28:07,020 --> 01:28:00,400
get in there Chris don't give him too

1768
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:07,030
much promotion don't you get a boarding

1769
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:09,850
pass when you go to his court well you

1770
01:28:13,950 --> 01:28:11,770
have to sign a release form that you

1771
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:13,960
won't hold see steady responsible for

1772
01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:15,550
anything that happens if you decide to

1773
01:28:19,590 --> 01:28:18,040
go on board now all we have a Federal

1774
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:19,600
Trade Commission out there that

1775
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:22,750
investigates abuses shouldn't they be

1776
01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:28,570
called in uh probably but they wouldn't

1777
01:28:35,430 --> 01:28:30,520
want to get involved because it would be

1778
01:28:40,260 --> 01:28:35,440
embarrassing if went by boat so he's got

1779
01:28:42,450 --> 01:28:40,270
that on his side but I think anybody who

1780
01:28:45,210 --> 01:28:42,460
pays in thousands of dollars to go to a

1781
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:45,220
training session deserves to lose their

1782
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money

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01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:50,190
[Laughter]

1784
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:53,710
accused of giggling here on our forum

1785
01:29:01,500 --> 01:28:57,370
well sometimes you have two guys in

1786
01:29:03,150 --> 01:29:01,510
Rob's Y Tech and I had a long private

1787
01:29:06,210 --> 01:29:03,160
meeting with Greer when he was just

1788
01:29:10,230 --> 01:29:06,220
getting started and he was very

1789
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:10,240
impressive well-dressed well-spoken but

1790
01:29:18,930 --> 01:29:14,160
one of the things that was honest a I

1791
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:18,940
know position paper or something that he

1792
01:29:26,100 --> 01:29:21,250
kept he didn't give us copies but let us

1793
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:26,110
read it was that let's see the the

1794
01:29:34,380 --> 01:29:30,370
aliens will not make direct contact with

1795
01:29:38,910 --> 01:29:34,390
humans until we have achieved permanent

1796
01:29:42,650 --> 01:29:38,920
world peace and I challenge anybody to

1797
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:42,660
tell me how that's going to happen the

1798
01:29:50,850 --> 01:29:48,010
that's you know if we have absolute

1799
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:50,860
world peace for a hundred years who's to

1800
01:29:54,300 --> 01:29:53,170
say this is the next day somebody isn't

1801
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:54,310
going to start a war

1802
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:56,290
so no such thing is permanent world

1803
01:29:59,100 --> 01:29:57,489
peace

1804
01:30:02,310 --> 01:29:59,110
well that's a good excuse therefore the

1805
01:30:04,140 --> 01:30:02,320
aliens would choose never to land except

1806
01:30:06,060 --> 01:30:04,150
for those who claim they have met up

1807
01:30:07,530 --> 01:30:06,070
with aliens and what about UFO

1808
01:30:08,940 --> 01:30:07,540
abductions I haven't even asked you

1809
01:30:09,630 --> 01:30:08,950
about abductions I want to ask you about

1810
01:30:12,959 --> 01:30:09,640
that too

1811
01:30:15,090 --> 01:30:12,969
but I certainly think we're giving dr.

1812
01:30:17,970 --> 01:30:15,100
Greer a little too much publicity here

1813
01:30:19,860 --> 01:30:17,980
so we shall not mention it except of

1814
01:30:22,260 --> 01:30:19,870
course that this event will coincide

1815
01:30:23,490 --> 01:30:22,270
with the broadcast of this show so it

1816
01:30:25,860 --> 01:30:23,500
may be too late anyway

1817
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Don brought when there is with us with

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Gene and Kris you're in the para guess

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01:35:08,090 --> 01:34:58,970
hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

1926
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with gene and Chris on the parent cast

1927
01:35:14,970 --> 01:35:13,150
want to bring up some more subjects in

1928
01:35:16,740 --> 01:35:14,980
the UFO field because obviously we have

1929
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only five segments left and let's kind

1930
01:35:22,620 --> 01:35:18,430
of make them as productive as possible

1931
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:22,630
so other than the Barney and Betty Hill

1932
01:35:27,630 --> 01:35:25,510
episode my cap really didn't get much

1933
01:35:30,450 --> 01:35:27,640
into UFO abductions what about Don

1934
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:30,460
Berliner well our problem at night cap

1935
01:35:35,850 --> 01:35:33,010
was Kehoe on this he was a very

1936
01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:35,860
conservative guy not only politically

1937
01:35:44,010 --> 01:35:38,820
but personally he was getting into UFOs

1938
01:35:48,330 --> 01:35:44,020
doesn't seem to follow on but he was

1939
01:35:50,430 --> 01:35:48,340
very very cautious and he had enough

1940
01:35:54,030 --> 01:35:50,440
trouble with the likes of George Adamski

1941
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:54,040
and the other contactees on whom we had

1942
01:36:00,030 --> 01:35:57,730
to spend far too much time and he was

1943
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:00,040
just terribly suspicious about the

1944
01:36:05,130 --> 01:36:03,280
Barney and Betty okay to a great extent

1945
01:36:09,870 --> 01:36:05,140
because they were a mixed-race couple

1946
01:36:13,290 --> 01:36:09,880
and his political conservatism didn't

1947
01:36:16,260 --> 01:36:13,300
line up with that but we didn't know

1948
01:36:18,900 --> 01:36:16,270
what to do with the case I let's see

1949
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:18,910
nine camps first knowledge of it came in

1950
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:23,010
about 1961 which was before I was there

1951
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:26,410
and it didn't go public until John

1952
01:36:34,980 --> 01:36:32,260
Fuller's book in 66 but I was quite

1953
01:36:39,180 --> 01:36:34,990
familiar with the story before it went

1954
01:36:41,700 --> 01:36:39,190
public and it was so different from the

1955
01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:41,710
contactee stories which were in most

1956
01:36:52,340 --> 01:36:46,440
cases laughable here was a very solid

1957
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:52,350
married couple both had good jobs and

1958
01:36:59,580 --> 01:36:57,610
they did not want the story out all and

1959
01:37:03,590 --> 01:36:59,590
I were the only two people on the staff

1960
01:37:07,770 --> 01:37:03,600
who knew where the report was hidden and

1961
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:07,780
the mere fact that they had told us to

1962
01:37:12,650 --> 01:37:10,110
keep it quiet

1963
01:37:16,770 --> 01:37:12,660
increased our interest considerably

1964
01:37:20,070 --> 01:37:16,780
other people who claiming face-to-face

1965
01:37:20,550 --> 01:37:20,080
contact with aliens with types of stand

1966
01:37:24,270 --> 01:37:20,560
on the

1967
01:37:26,850 --> 01:37:24,280
corner and hand out leaflets so we

1968
01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:26,860
couldn't find any reason not to believe

1969
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:31,780
them but when it when it first hit we

1970
01:37:37,860 --> 01:37:33,850
didn't know what to write on the tab of

1971
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:37,870
the folder holding the report it was so

1972
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:43,390
different and we didn't we had good

1973
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:46,690
investigators on in particular Walt Webb

1974
01:37:56,910 --> 01:37:51,000
the assistant curator of the planetarium

1975
01:38:00,150 --> 01:37:56,920
in Boston Hayden Planetarium very very

1976
01:38:02,850 --> 01:38:00,160
good investigative very hard-headed and

1977
01:38:12,450 --> 01:38:02,860
everybody who got involved in it was

1978
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:12,460
convinced and so we we just hope that we

1979
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:15,760
would get more stories like that and be

1980
01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:18,250
able to make some comparative studies

1981
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:21,700
and in fact when we heard that John

1982
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:24,760
Fuller was writing a book about the

1983
01:38:29,970 --> 01:38:27,370
hills experience we were concerned

1984
01:38:34,140 --> 01:38:29,980
because it would make it possible for

1985
01:38:37,020 --> 01:38:34,150
others to copy the hills story and if

1986
01:38:39,540 --> 01:38:37,030
the hill story had been secret that

1987
01:38:41,730 --> 01:38:39,550
would not have been possible if we got

1988
01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:41,740
another story it would it would stand on

1989
01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:44,830
its own in fact I had the very

1990
01:38:54,420 --> 01:38:51,280
uncomfortable task of asking fuller to

1991
01:38:56,610 --> 01:38:54,430
not write the book of course he didn't

1992
01:39:00,690 --> 01:38:56,620
go along with that and I then apologized

1993
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:00,700
because even my asking was unethical for

1994
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:06,010
a journalist but we thought it would

1995
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:10,690
interfere with future studies I don't

1996
01:39:18,030 --> 01:39:15,850
see any sign that it did but I don't

1997
01:39:22,650 --> 01:39:18,040
know that taeho was ever convinced that

1998
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:22,660
such things were happening he had and

1999
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:24,550
they say had too much experience with

2000
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:27,850
the old contactees and so anytime

2001
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:30,610
somebody claimed direct contact with

2002
01:39:37,860 --> 01:39:35,440
aliens he got very very nerve

2003
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:37,870
and could hardly blame him

2004
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:41,520
but I have done some investigating

2005
01:39:47,130 --> 01:39:44,080
Rob's white tech and I did the initial

2006
01:39:51,630 --> 01:39:47,140
investigation of the two women on the

2007
01:39:53,459 --> 01:39:51,640
horse farm in Northern Virginia no I

2008
01:39:56,189 --> 01:39:53,469
think their book said they were in

2009
01:39:59,340 --> 01:39:56,199
Maryland anyway who was the owner and

2010
01:40:04,530 --> 01:39:59,350
the manager of a horse farm in the horse

2011
01:40:08,490 --> 01:40:04,540
country here was a very very involved

2012
01:40:12,689 --> 01:40:08,500
story of abductions in a case of one of

2013
01:40:22,410 --> 01:40:12,699
the women involved five generations of

2014
01:40:24,270 --> 01:40:22,420
her family and it was hard to cast

2015
01:40:26,900 --> 01:40:24,280
serious doubt on something like that I

2016
01:40:30,930 --> 01:40:26,910
got to know moose with both the women

2017
01:40:32,700 --> 01:40:30,940
and they just weren't the type to make

2018
01:40:40,260 --> 01:40:32,710
up such stories they had nothing to gain

2019
01:40:42,209 --> 01:40:40,270
by it and so I am pretty well convinced

2020
01:40:45,450 --> 01:40:42,219
that such things are happening I'm not

2021
01:40:51,830 --> 01:40:45,460
my big question is our people being

2022
01:40:54,419 --> 01:40:51,840
abducted or are they somehow being

2023
01:40:56,370 --> 01:40:54,429
mentally tricked into thinking they were

2024
01:41:01,640 --> 01:40:56,380
being abducted and don't ask me how you

2025
01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:01,650
do that because I don't know but it's a

2026
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:03,910
abductions are so different they require

2027
01:41:09,450 --> 01:41:07,449
such different investigations long-term

2028
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:09,460
investigations you have to get to know

2029
01:41:15,930 --> 01:41:12,489
the people you have to watch their

2030
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:15,940
behavior or an extended period of time

2031
01:41:28,050 --> 01:41:24,750
does it change and we had a an abduction

2032
01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:28,060
investigative group in Washington other

2033
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:31,390
cities hadn't as well they made no

2034
01:41:37,770 --> 01:41:33,910
attempt to make themselves known they

2035
01:41:39,390 --> 01:41:37,780
didn't advertise and in no time at all

2036
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:39,400
they had more cases than they could cope

2037
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:42,910
with people somehow found out about them

2038
01:41:51,070 --> 01:41:48,890
and that's these amazing stories and

2039
01:41:54,130 --> 01:41:51,080
some good research has been done some of

2040
01:41:59,170 --> 01:41:54,140
the first projects that the fund for UFO

2041
01:42:02,500 --> 01:41:59,180
research ever funded involved abductions

2042
01:42:06,430 --> 01:42:02,510
one was a double-blind psychological

2043
01:42:09,210 --> 01:42:06,440
study of eight or nine abductees by a

2044
01:42:11,860 --> 01:42:09,220
clinical psychologist who had no idea

2045
01:42:15,850 --> 01:42:11,870
why we had picked those particular

2046
01:42:18,730 --> 01:42:15,860
people or that abductions were even

2047
01:42:23,650 --> 01:42:18,740
involved she was the psychologist was

2048
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:23,660
looking for patterns of mental or

2049
01:42:32,260 --> 01:42:28,970
emotional problems and finally concluded

2050
01:42:35,470 --> 01:42:32,270
after we told her that abductions were

2051
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:35,480
involved that she found nothing that

2052
01:42:41,320 --> 01:42:37,130
would suggest that they were making up

2053
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:41,330
stories and nothing good serious work

2054
01:42:47,890 --> 01:42:45,410
done on abductions dr. Bullard from

2055
01:42:54,250 --> 01:42:47,900
Indiana University has done some awfully

2056
01:42:56,770 --> 01:42:54,260
good work and I you don't hear much

2057
01:42:59,340 --> 01:42:56,780
about them now yeah of course but

2058
01:43:02,560 --> 01:42:59,350
Hopkins is gone

2059
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:02,570
Dave Jacobs I don't know what Dave's

2060
01:43:09,850 --> 01:43:06,730
doing currently so I don't know if

2061
01:43:14,230 --> 01:43:09,860
people are still having what we call

2062
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:14,240
abduction experiences and if so are they

2063
01:43:18,270 --> 01:43:16,400
just keeping it to themselves for

2064
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:18,280
personal reasons

2065
01:43:24,670 --> 01:43:21,610
certainly the subject is not in the news

2066
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:24,680
well would that mean then that maybe not

2067
01:43:30,370 --> 01:43:26,810
so many people are having abductions or

2068
01:43:32,110 --> 01:43:30,380
does that mean that just people who have

2069
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:32,120
the experiences don't feel they have an

2070
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:34,970
outlet where they can report them yeah

2071
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:38,090
just like with fighting you never know

2072
01:43:45,820 --> 01:43:41,810
if what appears to be an increase is

2073
01:43:49,060 --> 01:43:45,830
real or merely apparent are people

2074
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:49,070
actually having more experiences or are

2075
01:43:53,980 --> 01:43:51,110
we just hearing about a higher

2076
01:43:57,610 --> 01:43:53,990
percentage of them for some reason and I

2077
01:44:00,910 --> 01:43:57,620
don't know how you differentiate it's

2078
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:00,920
beyond my limited knowledge of

2079
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:02,010
psychology

2080
01:44:07,980 --> 01:44:05,170
well the thing about abductions it

2081
01:44:10,710 --> 01:44:07,990
bothers me is that they seem to be so

2082
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:10,720
frequent I would think of et just wanted

2083
01:44:18,420 --> 01:44:12,370
to take some genetic samples they could

2084
01:44:20,730 --> 01:44:18,430
be done pretty painlessly in a much more

2085
01:44:23,070 --> 01:44:20,740
confined way they wouldn't be doing it

2086
01:44:24,990 --> 01:44:23,080
year after year with multiple

2087
01:44:28,530 --> 01:44:25,000
generations of families thousands of

2088
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:28,540
people around the world well the problem

2089
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:30,970
is we don't know what they're really

2090
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:37,450
trying to accomplish if when we first

2091
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:39,600
land on another planet that has

2092
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:41,530
intelligent beings on it

2093
01:44:52,110 --> 01:44:48,690
we we might try to do the same thing and

2094
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:52,120
your hesitancy would be much more

2095
01:44:59,070 --> 01:44:55,840
applicable to our doing it we don't know

2096
01:45:04,370 --> 01:44:59,080
anything about alien psychology and say

2097
01:45:06,630 --> 01:45:04,380
we don't know what their goals are is

2098
01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:06,640
you have to assume that the goals are

2099
01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:09,490
pretty complicated but I you know we

2100
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:12,780
don't even know why certain people are

2101
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:15,610
abducted and others aren't we're gonna

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learn other lessons if we don't do this

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haven't really covered the subject in

2145
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:10,500
much detail in recent years I think

2146
01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:12,210
we'll try this up an abduction

2147
01:48:15,740 --> 01:48:13,830
roundtable in the near future with

2148
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:15,750
current researchers we see what's going

2149
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:16,080
on

2150
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:18,210
let's move catch-as-catch-can into other

2151
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:20,250
subjects and then we'll have questions

2152
01:48:24,980 --> 01:48:22,050
from our listeners have been accumulated

2153
01:48:28,850 --> 01:48:24,990
in our forums that form that para cast

2154
01:48:32,930 --> 01:48:28,860
com Roswell we worked on that case with

2155
01:48:35,480 --> 01:48:32,940
course Stanton Friedman after all these

2156
01:48:39,110 --> 01:48:35,490
years will we ever get any answers or is

2157
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:39,120
it too late oh boy no where do you get

2158
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:41,010
these questions you're supposed to ant

2159
01:48:45,260 --> 01:48:43,380
ask questions that I can answer that's

2160
01:48:48,430 --> 01:48:45,270
not too fine I certainly hope we get

2161
01:48:51,650 --> 01:48:48,440
something there has to be some records

2162
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:51,660
we've seen nothing in the way of

2163
01:48:58,180 --> 01:48:54,360
official documentation concerning

2164
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:58,190
Roswell it's not in the Bluebook files

2165
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:01,440
because it was determined to be not a

2166
01:49:09,410 --> 01:49:07,410
UFO case and so there's a pretty sneaky

2167
01:49:13,010 --> 01:49:09,420
way of getting out of it but they did it

2168
01:49:16,390 --> 01:49:13,020
and so it's certainly the most

2169
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:16,400
thoroughly investigated case on a record

2170
01:49:25,430 --> 01:49:22,410
it has more witnesses and people

2171
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:25,440
claiming to be witnesses than just about

2172
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:28,560
any other case I got to know some of the

2173
01:49:36,050 --> 01:49:31,710
witnesses a dr. Jesse Marcel in

2174
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:36,060
particular and I found him extremely

2175
01:49:43,670 --> 01:49:39,210
impressive stuck to his guns did not

2176
01:49:47,300 --> 01:49:43,680
elaborate didn't claim to know who was

2177
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:47,310
involved never claimed to have seen

2178
01:49:54,140 --> 01:49:51,630
bodies just the bits of wreckage that

2179
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:54,150
his father showed him and that happened

2180
01:50:00,920 --> 01:49:58,320
in a reasonable way his father being the

2181
01:50:07,550 --> 01:50:00,930
intelligence officer Roswell Army

2182
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:07,560
Airfield and so also Walter Haught who

2183
01:50:13,580 --> 01:50:09,810
had been the public information officer

2184
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:13,590
at Roswell back in 47 and put out the

2185
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:18,690
news release describing what became the

2186
01:50:25,610 --> 01:50:22,560
Roswell crash so there were some some

2187
01:50:28,460 --> 01:50:25,620
good people involved there were also

2188
01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:28,470
some highly questionable ones and some

2189
01:50:37,100 --> 01:50:31,490
investigators have tried much too hard

2190
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:37,110
to turn casual observers into witnesses

2191
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:39,330
uh myself included

2192
01:50:48,050 --> 01:50:43,290
I told any Roswell investigator that I

2193
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:48,060
had heard the radio report of the

2194
01:50:54,620 --> 01:50:51,570
discovery of crash material and I

2195
01:50:56,990 --> 01:50:54,630
suddenly became a witness well that was

2196
01:51:00,110 --> 01:50:57,000
thousands of people who heard the radio

2197
01:51:03,500 --> 01:51:00,120
broadcast it was unmet worst that

2198
01:51:08,300 --> 01:51:03,510
doesn't make us witnesses anything and

2199
01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:08,310
so it has assumed the life of its own I

2200
01:51:15,340 --> 01:51:10,980
suppose you could say but it is

2201
01:51:18,610 --> 01:51:15,350
potentially the most important case ever

2202
01:51:22,670 --> 01:51:18,620
but say there's no documentary evidence

2203
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:22,680
all the claims of scraps of wreckage of

2204
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:26,730
debris have turned out to be nothing

2205
01:51:35,180 --> 01:51:29,370
most of them were obviously nothing from

2206
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:35,190
the start but I don't I haven't done

2207
01:51:41,890 --> 01:51:38,010
anything on it in years because I don't

2208
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:41,900
see much hope for getting any great

2209
01:51:51,020 --> 01:51:45,090
revelations from previously unknown

2210
01:51:54,440 --> 01:51:51,030
witnesses and so if somebody can come up

2211
01:51:57,920 --> 01:51:54,450
with an actual piece of debris that will

2212
01:52:00,590 --> 01:51:57,930
withstand laboratory tests and we can

2213
01:52:04,220 --> 01:52:00,600
find a laboratory that will sign its

2214
01:52:07,580 --> 01:52:04,230
name to a test report may have something

2215
01:52:10,100 --> 01:52:07,590
that would be Nam but I don't see that

2216
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,110
happening now let me ask you something

2217
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:12,000
here specific to the Roswell

2218
01:52:18,380 --> 01:52:14,130
the other day I talked with a gentleman

2219
01:52:20,570 --> 01:52:18,390
by the name of Kenneth Letcher and he

2220
01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:20,580
lives in Roswell and he was acquainted

2221
01:52:25,550 --> 01:52:22,830
with the late Don Dwyer who was one of

2222
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:25,560
the firemen involved in the roswell case

2223
01:52:28,340 --> 01:52:26,730
and okay

2224
01:52:32,570 --> 01:52:28,350
it wouldn't Lee was his ex father-in-law

2225
01:52:35,540 --> 01:52:32,580
and he told me that Don told him before

2226
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:35,550
he died back in the late 50s that he saw

2227
01:52:41,780 --> 01:52:39,030
several bodies in connection with the

2228
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:41,790
Roswell recovery you know anything about

2229
01:52:47,780 --> 01:52:45,090
that not that specific claim but

2230
01:52:50,690 --> 01:52:47,790
certainly I've heard other claims of

2231
01:52:53,330 --> 01:52:50,700
people having seen by as well Walter

2232
01:52:57,310 --> 01:52:53,340
Haught the public information officer of

2233
01:53:00,470 --> 01:52:57,320
the air base left a deathbed confession

2234
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:00,480
stating that he had seen bodies he been

2235
01:53:08,020 --> 01:53:04,880
taken out to hangar 84 or something that

2236
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:08,030
what is now Roswell Municipal Airport

2237
01:53:21,010 --> 01:53:15,510
and was shown the great bulk of the

2238
01:53:27,200 --> 01:53:21,020
wreckage and he saw more than one body

2239
01:53:31,370 --> 01:53:27,210
and so and I tend to accept the deathbed

2240
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:31,380
confession from someone I got to know

2241
01:53:40,390 --> 01:53:35,730
well and got to trust but he wouldn't

2242
01:53:45,340 --> 01:53:40,400
say that publicly while he was alive and

2243
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:45,350
others had claimed similar things

2244
01:53:54,860 --> 01:53:51,360
apparently the sheriff in Roswell saw

2245
01:53:57,190 --> 01:53:54,870
more than he talked about because I got

2246
01:54:00,800 --> 01:53:57,200
to know one of his daughters and she

2247
01:54:02,930 --> 01:54:00,810
said that whatever he saw scared the

2248
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:02,940
daylights out of him that's not a direct

2249
01:54:09,740 --> 01:54:06,690
quote paraphrase but really shook him up

2250
01:54:10,220 --> 01:54:09,750
and bothered him for the rest of his

2251
01:54:13,820 --> 01:54:10,230
life

2252
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:13,830
well I don't think the scraps of metal

2253
01:54:18,470 --> 01:54:16,350
would have done that unless he was a

2254
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:18,480
brilliant metallurgist and could analyze

2255
01:54:25,820 --> 01:54:23,370
them tight but you don't have to know

2256
01:54:32,210 --> 01:54:25,830
much to be able to recognize not

2257
01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:32,220
human humanoids and so there's reason to

2258
01:54:40,730 --> 01:54:36,600
believe that a number of people so our

2259
01:54:43,610 --> 01:54:40,740
bodies but they couldn't prove it you

2260
01:54:45,790 --> 01:54:43,620
know before you go out make a public

2261
01:54:49,010 --> 01:54:45,800
statement and open yourself up to

2262
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:49,020
awkward questions you better have

2263
01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:51,330
something to back you your statements up

2264
01:54:58,760 --> 01:54:55,770
with you know and I think this is true

2265
01:55:01,520 --> 01:54:58,770
with an awful lot of ex government

2266
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:01,530
especially ex-military people they've

2267
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:05,340
had experiences but don't think they can

2268
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:07,920
convince people now who likes to be

2269
01:55:12,980 --> 01:55:10,530
laughed at other than stand-up comedian

2270
01:55:14,990 --> 01:55:12,990
or open yourself up for a world of

2271
01:55:16,610 --> 01:55:15,000
ridicule before we get to listen to

2272
01:55:18,590 --> 01:55:16,620
questions I just want to make one quick

2273
01:55:20,510 --> 01:55:18,600
comment I think part of the problem also

2274
01:55:23,300 --> 01:55:20,520
with doing roswell research is that many

2275
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:23,310
of the witnesses were contacted well at

2276
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:26,490
least 30 years after the event and their

2277
01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:28,170
memories are being influenced by popular

2278
01:55:34,250 --> 01:55:32,250
culture by just the fact that people

2279
01:55:36,470 --> 01:55:34,260
remember things in a different way over

2280
01:55:41,650 --> 01:55:36,480
time didn't that make the investigation

2281
01:55:46,820 --> 01:55:44,450
when general Ramey the commanding

2282
01:55:50,930 --> 01:55:46,830
general of the 8th Air Force which

2283
01:55:54,020 --> 01:55:50,940
concluded Roswell Army Airfield told a

2284
01:55:56,570 --> 01:55:54,030
press conference that yes what was

2285
01:55:59,420 --> 01:55:56,580
recovered from the debris field was

2286
01:56:03,880 --> 01:55:59,430
remains of a weather balloon the press

2287
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:03,890
bought it and most people who read

2288
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:06,210
reports in his newspapers and heard them

2289
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:09,450
on the radio also bought it he was in

2290
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:11,850
general and our Air Force had done a

2291
01:56:20,230 --> 01:56:13,920
wonderful job and helping to win a

2292
01:56:22,610 --> 01:56:20,240
recent war so these guys were sharp but

2293
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:22,620
you know we didn't we didn't pay

2294
01:56:31,940 --> 01:56:26,690
attention to Roswell after that from

2295
01:56:40,419 --> 01:56:31,950
Rama's press conference in early July of

2296
01:56:48,860 --> 01:56:43,340
man I can't even think of names bill

2297
01:56:52,580 --> 01:56:48,870
more and the linguist Charles Berlitz

2298
01:56:55,669 --> 01:56:52,590
berlet yeah when their book came out

2299
01:56:58,430 --> 01:56:55,679
that was the first anybody outside of a

2300
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:58,440
very select for you even thought about

2301
01:57:06,979 --> 01:57:01,760
Roswell we accepted the the Army's

2302
01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:06,989
explanation and so nobody investigated

2303
01:57:15,530 --> 01:57:10,980
other than well mainly Friedman and some

2304
01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:15,540
hope health for more and Friedman wasn't

2305
01:57:20,270 --> 01:57:18,210
all that convinced initially well he

2306
01:57:22,669 --> 01:57:20,280
sure changed his tune over the years

2307
01:57:24,950 --> 01:57:22,679
let's get into all this in much more

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the two news at the para cast calm

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that's news at the para cast calm and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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cast community forums at forum dr. para

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cast calm as you say Don Berliner Sam

2415
02:02:06,979 --> 02:02:04,619
Friedman didn't get too serious about

2416
02:02:10,549 --> 02:02:06,989
Roswell at first what made him change

2417
02:02:13,069 --> 02:02:10,559
his tune well let's see the first time

2418
02:02:16,430 --> 02:02:13,079
to my knowledge is he painting attention

2419
02:02:20,089 --> 02:02:16,440
to it he was in Louisiana to give a talk

2420
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:20,099
at Louisiana State University I think

2421
02:02:29,839 --> 02:02:24,690
one of those schools down there and he

2422
02:02:33,859 --> 02:02:29,849
had gotten himself an interview on TV

2423
02:02:37,069 --> 02:02:33,869
station to publicize his punk and when

2424
02:02:39,709 --> 02:02:37,079
it was over I think it was a manager of

2425
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:39,719
the TV station and Stan were having

2426
02:02:45,229 --> 02:02:42,510
coffee and chatting and this guy tells

2427
02:02:48,260 --> 02:02:45,239
him that if you really want to get the

2428
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:48,270
story on this you want to talk to Jesse

2429
02:02:55,879 --> 02:02:52,650
Marcel senior he's a ham radio buddy of

2430
02:03:00,470 --> 02:02:55,889
mine lives in Houma Louisiana and he

2431
02:03:02,270 --> 02:03:00,480
handled wreckage of this thing well Stan

2432
02:03:04,819 --> 02:03:02,280
said he wasn't impressed by that he'd

2433
02:03:08,720 --> 02:03:04,829
heard equally preposterous stories

2434
02:03:10,609 --> 02:03:08,730
before but he did a little checking got

2435
02:03:14,229 --> 02:03:10,619
Bill Moore into it and they determined

2436
02:03:16,609 --> 02:03:14,239
that major Marcel had been the

2437
02:03:20,089 --> 02:03:16,619
intelligence officer at Roswell Army

2438
02:03:27,740 --> 02:03:20,099
Airfield and in position to know what

2439
02:03:29,390 --> 02:03:27,750
happened and so he talked to Marcel was

2440
02:03:33,109 --> 02:03:29,400
impressed by what the guy said not

2441
02:03:35,089 --> 02:03:33,119
totally convinced whatever

2442
02:03:38,649 --> 02:03:35,099
Friedman's problems are he's a heck of

2443
02:03:41,839 --> 02:03:38,659
an interviewer and investigator and so

2444
02:03:44,299 --> 02:03:41,849
little by little he became convinced

2445
02:03:48,049 --> 02:03:44,309
that this was a big big pieces of puzzle

2446
02:03:49,430 --> 02:03:48,059
and so he went into it and just kept

2447
02:03:50,260 --> 02:03:49,440
going I guess he's probably still

2448
02:03:58,549 --> 02:03:50,270
working on it

2449
02:04:01,580 --> 02:03:58,559
yep you were you were with the lab yeah

2450
02:04:04,459 --> 02:04:01,590
all of the main ones were gone before

2451
02:04:07,700 --> 02:04:04,469
anybody knew it was a story right yes

2452
02:04:10,129 --> 02:04:07,710
that's a problem you sure sure but we

2453
02:04:14,029 --> 02:04:10,139
did get the top two

2454
02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:14,039
Marcel jr. and two Walter Haught the

2455
02:04:22,069 --> 02:04:18,210
public information officer and a few

2456
02:04:25,490 --> 02:04:22,079
others who were in position to know what

2457
02:04:28,010 --> 02:04:25,500
was happening yeah Glenda Newell people

2458
02:04:30,140 --> 02:04:28,020
I just happened to be in such and such a

2459
02:04:32,479 --> 02:04:30,150
place for no known reason and I heard

2460
02:04:36,310 --> 02:04:32,489
two people talking about something super

2461
02:04:39,729 --> 02:04:36,320
secret that has to be questioned but

2462
02:04:42,350 --> 02:04:39,739
these guys were in critical positions

2463
02:04:45,439 --> 02:04:42,360
well we do have a couple of questions

2464
02:04:48,979 --> 02:04:45,449
about Roswell from posters at forum dr.

2465
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:48,989
Perik asked on and I've got a series of

2466
02:04:53,479 --> 02:04:50,610
questions here from one of our frequent

2467
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:53,489
posters Blowfish and he's interested if

2468
02:04:58,700 --> 02:04:56,639
you ever interviewed any us test pilots

2469
02:05:01,160 --> 02:04:58,710
who may have been stationed in the

2470
02:05:04,689 --> 02:05:01,170
Roswell area around the time of the

2471
02:05:09,260 --> 02:05:04,699
event or sometime early or early after

2472
02:05:13,370 --> 02:05:09,270
pilot test pilots may be somehow tied in

2473
02:05:15,140 --> 02:05:13,380
with white sands or well their work the

2474
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:15,150
only test pilots around there would have

2475
02:05:22,399 --> 02:05:18,090
worked for convair in Fort Worth I

2476
02:05:25,100 --> 02:05:22,409
suppose no and I never interviewed

2477
02:05:27,319 --> 02:05:25,110
anybody who had been a test pilot in

2478
02:05:31,399 --> 02:05:27,329
that period I I met others who had been

2479
02:05:34,399 --> 02:05:31,409
with that company later but was and not

2480
02:05:37,310 --> 02:05:34,409
them and probably the best stuff was

2481
02:05:41,270 --> 02:05:37,320
going on at dead edwards in china lake

2482
02:05:45,859 --> 02:05:41,280
and yeah well the problem I've run into

2483
02:05:48,620 --> 02:05:45,869
is that test pilots and and really sharp

2484
02:05:50,120 --> 02:05:48,630
aviation people like that you have to

2485
02:05:53,660 --> 02:05:50,130
get to know them they have to get to

2486
02:05:56,750 --> 02:05:53,670
know you you know before their talk I

2487
02:05:59,000 --> 02:05:56,760
can think of a couple of career Air

2488
02:06:02,029 --> 02:05:59,010
Force pilots I had known for 10 or 15

2489
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:02,039
years and he suddenly said did I ever

2490
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:04,110
tell you about my UFO sightings didn't

2491
02:06:10,669 --> 02:06:07,530
know Chuck you never did he finally got

2492
02:06:11,900 --> 02:06:10,679
to the point where he trusted me to not

2493
02:06:13,790 --> 02:06:11,910
to embarrass him

2494
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:13,800
no no you're not talking about the Chuck

2495
02:06:19,670 --> 02:06:18,090
are you Jagr yeah I wouldn't interview

2496
02:06:25,460 --> 02:06:19,680
him for anything in the world he's an

2497
02:06:27,290 --> 02:06:25,470
idiot he is looked down upon by every

2498
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:27,300
other test pilot I've ever met

2499
02:06:31,340 --> 02:06:29,010
no maybe that's why I didn't make the

2500
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:31,350
mercury program Wow

2501
02:06:36,050 --> 02:06:33,690
I don't know well here's another

2502
02:06:39,710 --> 02:06:36,060
question by Blowfish he's wondering if

2503
02:06:42,800 --> 02:06:39,720
any foreign spies were arrested prior to

2504
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:42,810
Roswell or just after that's an

2505
02:06:46,670 --> 02:06:44,070
interesting question I've never heard

2506
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:46,680
anyone ever mentioned any sort of

2507
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:50,970
foreign operatives possibly no I think

2508
02:07:00,050 --> 02:06:55,050
it's a good question also I have never

2509
02:07:01,820 --> 02:07:00,060
looked into it hmm I've got a friend who

2510
02:07:04,850 --> 02:07:01,830
might be interested in looking into that

2511
02:07:08,170 --> 02:07:04,860
he's a longtime Pentagon correspondent

2512
02:07:11,870 --> 02:07:08,180
ah well Blowfish you just may have

2513
02:07:14,450 --> 02:07:11,880
opened up a can of worms there yeah he's

2514
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:14,460
a troublemaker is me oh yes he's and

2515
02:07:19,310 --> 02:07:16,230
he's very good at it here's another good

2516
02:07:21,650 --> 02:07:19,320
question he was wondering if there were

2517
02:07:24,470 --> 02:07:21,660
any unusual murders within the military

2518
02:07:27,500 --> 02:07:24,480
bases or outside in the surrounding area

2519
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:27,510
of Roswell any strange deaths that

2520
02:07:32,180 --> 02:07:29,880
occurred to military personnel have you

2521
02:07:36,980 --> 02:07:32,190
ever heard any scuttlebutt about that I

2522
02:07:39,250 --> 02:07:36,990
personally haven't I have not and I

2523
02:07:42,770 --> 02:07:39,260
think somebody would have mentioned it

2524
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:42,780
we heard about a number of peculiar

2525
02:07:48,020 --> 02:07:45,840
things that were said to have happened

2526
02:07:52,460 --> 02:07:48,030
that didn't seem to have any connection

2527
02:07:55,340 --> 02:07:52,470
with the Roswell crash odd things

2528
02:07:57,320 --> 02:07:55,350
happened here and there frequently but

2529
02:08:00,440 --> 02:07:57,330
no that's an understatement

2530
02:08:02,240 --> 02:08:00,450
yeah that keeps you in business yeah

2531
02:08:04,930 --> 02:08:02,250
kind of makes you scratch your head so

2532
02:08:10,940 --> 02:08:04,940
hard you start losing your hair oh

2533
02:08:14,600 --> 02:08:10,950
that's why thanks but no I'd never heard

2534
02:08:19,580 --> 02:08:14,610
about any unusual deaths other than of

2535
02:08:25,770 --> 02:08:19,590
course that story that the the young man

2536
02:08:34,210 --> 02:08:28,930
and who drove the bass ambulance told

2537
02:08:39,180 --> 02:08:34,220
about getting a call from Roswell asking

2538
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:39,190
about child thighs right caskets yeah

2539
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:42,970
what that yeah dead child sized uh

2540
02:08:49,660 --> 02:08:46,880
coffins yeah yeah and he couldn't get

2541
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:49,670
any explanation and said he never heard

2542
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:52,130
about any accidents involving the

2543
02:09:03,760 --> 02:08:55,690
military that would have required some

2544
02:09:06,640 --> 02:09:03,770
very small coffins it's uh but well you

2545
02:09:08,110 --> 02:09:06,650
very some questions good one yeah well

2546
02:09:12,760 --> 02:09:08,120
here's here's another question from

2547
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:12,770
Constance who is a fairly recent sign up

2548
02:09:17,650 --> 02:09:15,530
at forum dr. Perik asked calm but I'll

2549
02:09:21,010 --> 02:09:17,660
tell you she's been cranking out the the

2550
02:09:23,980 --> 02:09:21,020
post she's up to eleven hundred post on

2551
02:09:27,310 --> 02:09:23,990
the forum and very very bright lady I've

2552
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:27,320
known her online for a you know 15 years

2553
02:09:32,710 --> 02:09:29,840
and I'm glad she's a member of our forum

2554
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:32,720
community and she's wondering do you

2555
02:09:36,850 --> 02:09:34,970
have a reliable list of the high-level

2556
02:09:39,370 --> 02:09:36,860
military and government officials from

2557
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:39,380
Washington who were seen at the Roswell

2558
02:09:44,950 --> 02:09:41,690
base in the days after the news release

2559
02:09:48,160 --> 02:09:44,960
and then retraction also of the presence

2560
02:09:50,770 --> 02:09:48,170
of significant scientists from Los

2561
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Alamos and other nearby bases and she

2562
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says thank you and she wants to add how

2563
02:09:56,650 --> 02:09:55,370
grateful we all should be and I am for

2564
02:09:58,210 --> 02:09:56,660
the immense amount of research you've

2565
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accomplished concerning the UFO

2566
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phenomenon I don't want to rush you've

2567
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done but we're gonna have to break in

2568
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about 20 seconds so rather than do that

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why don't you hold up the answer to

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whether we have these key figures

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present in the days after Roswell and

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we'll get into that okay we've got Don

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Berlin or joining Jeanne and Chris

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this is 37 the author you have a mystery

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dinner and listening to the para Cass

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2679
02:14:57,390 --> 02:14:55,330
so we have constancies question from

2680
02:15:01,130 --> 02:14:57,400
forum dr. power cast calm of Don

2681
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:01,140
Berliner their response sir well I think

2682
02:15:06,720 --> 02:15:04,810
she'd be better off asking treatment he

2683
02:15:11,930 --> 02:15:06,730
would have records of that sort of thing

2684
02:15:15,090 --> 02:15:11,940
I don't of importance Washington people

2685
02:15:18,510 --> 02:15:15,100
who were seen around Walt

2686
02:15:21,810 --> 02:15:18,520
Roswell immediately after the activity

2687
02:15:24,150 --> 02:15:21,820
there and then I think subsequently

2688
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:24,160
denied it not kind of a part of her

2689
02:15:29,130 --> 02:15:26,530
question I heard the rumor that Wernher

2690
02:15:32,250 --> 02:15:29,140
von Braun was seen there oh hey

2691
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:32,260
rumors oh boy it's still two hours with

2692
02:15:39,810 --> 02:15:36,250
rumors none of which has panned out but

2693
02:15:41,640 --> 02:15:39,820
see you have to find more than the rumor

2694
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:41,650
you've got a right of course evidence

2695
02:15:48,140 --> 02:15:44,890
for it support unsupported theories are

2696
02:15:51,890 --> 02:15:48,150
worthless blame doubt the truth

2697
02:15:55,640 --> 02:15:51,900
well we have some questions about your

2698
02:16:00,690 --> 02:15:55,650
insistence on the term UAP and and how

2699
02:16:04,550 --> 02:16:00,700
how the UFO term has really become

2700
02:16:07,140 --> 02:16:04,560
detrimental I think to the field and

2701
02:16:08,910 --> 02:16:07,150
toxic surf one of our longtime posters

2702
02:16:12,900 --> 02:16:08,920
so who doesn't post very often but when

2703
02:16:15,510 --> 02:16:12,910
he does he asked good questions he wants

2704
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:15,520
to know about the dead getting rid of

2705
02:16:20,160 --> 02:16:18,130
the term ufology and ufologists which

2706
02:16:22,830 --> 02:16:20,170
strongly imply that the collection of

2707
02:16:25,770 --> 02:16:22,840
information and the subsequent study of

2708
02:16:29,700 --> 02:16:25,780
it could constitute a science yeah yeah

2709
02:16:32,490 --> 02:16:29,710
well it's awfully hard to change

2710
02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:32,500
something that says and ingrained as

2711
02:16:36,930 --> 02:16:34,960
that I often thought that it would be

2712
02:16:39,300 --> 02:16:36,940
wonderful to change the name of world

2713
02:16:41,669 --> 02:16:39,310
war two because that implies a

2714
02:16:44,430 --> 02:16:41,679
continuing series of world wars just

2715
02:16:50,810 --> 02:16:44,440
because you want to try to change that

2716
02:16:54,330 --> 02:16:50,820
one good luck and I think changing UFOs

2717
02:16:59,929 --> 02:16:54,340
is a multi-year

2718
02:17:02,969 --> 02:16:59,939
and but it it implies far too much and

2719
02:17:06,200 --> 02:17:02,979
I'm all in favor of changing it but I go

2720
02:17:10,530 --> 02:17:06,210
back and forth on it well I use you ap

2721
02:17:13,070 --> 02:17:10,540
it has to be in something I'm writing or

2722
02:17:15,570 --> 02:17:13,080
talking about that is going to be

2723
02:17:18,959 --> 02:17:15,580
consumed by somebody who knows what I'm

2724
02:17:21,719 --> 02:17:18,969
talking about just to throw out you ap

2725
02:17:24,450 --> 02:17:21,729
sightings it's going to confuse a lot of

2726
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:24,460
people so it's going to take time to get

2727
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:26,170
them used to that and I think it will

2728
02:17:31,860 --> 02:17:30,010
help once that happens but it's not

2729
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:31,870
going to solve all the problems of

2730
02:17:36,870 --> 02:17:34,569
course yeah I've been trying to do that

2731
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:36,880
with the cattle mutilation term for

2732
02:17:42,599 --> 02:17:40,330
years to try to change that to an

2733
02:17:45,540 --> 02:17:42,609
unexplained livestock death or unusual

2734
02:17:46,919 --> 02:17:45,550
livestock death yeah boy it's just I've

2735
02:17:54,179 --> 02:17:46,929
been beating my head against a brick

2736
02:17:56,189 --> 02:17:54,189
wall about that one yeah well we have a

2737
02:17:59,490 --> 02:17:56,199
series of questions from Eric the read

2738
02:18:01,919 --> 02:17:59,500
who's been posting at forum dr. Peric

2739
02:18:03,689 --> 02:18:01,929
ascom for the last year and a half again

2740
02:18:06,059 --> 02:18:03,699
he doesn't post very often but when we

2741
02:18:07,349 --> 02:18:06,069
have a guest like you don't he he and

2742
02:18:10,259 --> 02:18:07,359
others come out of the woodwork with

2743
02:18:12,750 --> 02:18:10,269
some good questions and he has a bunch

2744
02:18:15,839 --> 02:18:12,760
of them here but let's start with this

2745
02:18:17,610 --> 02:18:15,849
one as we all know the establishment of

2746
02:18:20,849 --> 02:18:17,620
intellectual culture at least in the

2747
02:18:23,070 --> 02:18:20,859
u.s. largely dismisses the legitimacy of

2748
02:18:24,870 --> 02:18:23,080
you Falah djegal research how do you

2749
02:18:27,419 --> 02:18:24,880
propose then that we communicate the

2750
02:18:30,839 --> 02:18:27,429
legitimacy of this research to potential

2751
02:18:34,320 --> 02:18:30,849
allies in academia in science and among

2752
02:18:36,929 --> 02:18:34,330
thought leaders in general well I this I

2753
02:18:41,839 --> 02:18:36,939
have given some thought to I think the

2754
02:18:45,780 --> 02:18:41,849
biggest barrier preventing us from

2755
02:18:48,629 --> 02:18:45,790
getting the subject taken seriously by

2756
02:18:51,240 --> 02:18:48,639
in particular the scientific community

2757
02:18:55,830 --> 02:18:51,250
and the mainstream press is the

2758
02:18:59,070 --> 02:18:55,840
unjustified respect shown the results of

2759
02:19:01,099 --> 02:18:59,080
Project Blue Book and the conduct

2760
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:01,109
committee at the University of Colorado

2761
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:04,719
most people who would like to impress

2762
02:19:11,820 --> 02:19:07,570
like the convinced I guess

2763
02:19:14,550 --> 02:19:11,830
fall back on those two efforts as the

2764
02:19:16,951 --> 02:19:14,560
most scientific work that's been done on

2765
02:19:19,530 --> 02:19:16,961
the subject and certainly in some

2766
02:19:22,710 --> 02:19:19,540
respects they are they were big they

2767
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:22,720
were well financed in case of Colorado

2768
02:19:28,850 --> 02:19:24,250
they had some awfully good people

2769
02:19:32,100 --> 02:19:28,860
involved not so much for a blue book but

2770
02:19:34,770 --> 02:19:32,110
the Air Force had the potential for

2771
02:19:37,680 --> 02:19:34,780
doing a very good job they didn't but

2772
02:19:42,170 --> 02:19:37,690
they could have but what I would love to

2773
02:19:44,640 --> 02:19:42,180
see is a reevaluation of all the cases

2774
02:19:48,420 --> 02:19:44,650
collected by Blue Book and by the

2775
02:19:51,871 --> 02:19:48,430
Colorado group of valuation buying a

2776
02:19:55,081 --> 02:19:51,881
panel of scientists now the Blue Book

2777
02:19:58,081 --> 02:19:55,091
were just miscellaneous GIS from what I

2778
02:20:02,820 --> 02:19:58,091
can tell and having been one of those at

2779
02:20:05,610 --> 02:20:02,830
the one time I'm not impressed but if

2780
02:20:08,131 --> 02:20:05,620
it's done by scientists entirely by

2781
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:08,141
scientists then other scientists are

2782
02:20:11,490 --> 02:20:09,610
going to pay attention to it right

2783
02:20:13,591 --> 02:20:11,500
there's some gravitas scientists don't

2784
02:20:15,121 --> 02:20:13,601
listen to you they don't listen to me

2785
02:20:18,001 --> 02:20:15,131
they don't listen to anybody but other

2786
02:20:21,541 --> 02:20:18,011
scientists mine large but it's it's

2787
02:20:24,900 --> 02:20:21,551
going to be a very expensive project no

2788
02:20:28,381 --> 02:20:24,910
I would think 1/2 million

2789
02:20:30,270 --> 02:20:28,391
anyway no well you have any guess as to

2790
02:20:32,430 --> 02:20:30,280
how widespread is the belief in

2791
02:20:34,201 --> 02:20:32,440
commercial and military piloting that

2792
02:20:36,961 --> 02:20:34,211
there is a real and unexplained reality

2793
02:20:38,791 --> 02:20:36,971
behind UFOs you've covered aviation for

2794
02:20:41,791 --> 02:20:38,801
decades and written quite a number of

2795
02:20:45,020 --> 02:20:41,801
books on aviation and in how widespread

2796
02:20:47,850 --> 02:20:45,030
is the belief in the the pilot community

2797
02:20:51,060 --> 02:20:47,860
well I don't know how it is today

2798
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:51,070
because it's not a common topic of

2799
02:21:00,091 --> 02:20:56,650
conversation this UFOs for UAVs are not

2800
02:21:03,091 --> 02:21:00,101
in the news every day but back when

2801
02:21:07,980 --> 02:21:03,101
things were hot back in the 60s in

2802
02:21:10,951 --> 02:21:07,990
particular it was very common I went

2803
02:21:13,411 --> 02:21:10,961
down to Miami one time and among other

2804
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:13,421
things got a demonstration of their

2805
02:21:19,230 --> 02:21:16,240
latest flight simulator these are

2806
02:21:21,090 --> 02:21:19,240
amazing contraptions they are so

2807
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:21,100
realistic

2808
02:21:25,290 --> 02:21:23,439
that I've heard that some veteran

2809
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:25,300
captain's have gotten airsick on them

2810
02:21:32,550 --> 02:21:28,800
and they they're parked in a hangar

2811
02:21:37,740 --> 02:21:32,560
anyway I wanted to talk to these guys

2812
02:21:39,630 --> 02:21:37,750
about this flight simulator they wanted

2813
02:21:42,840 --> 02:21:39,640
to talk about UFOs because they knew of

2814
02:21:45,660 --> 02:21:42,850
my interest and I've run into that in

2815
02:21:47,939 --> 02:21:45,670
other places they're there these are the

2816
02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:47,949
people airline pilots and military

2817
02:21:55,109 --> 02:21:52,090
pilots who will see UFOs if there is any

2818
02:21:57,149 --> 02:21:55,119
such thing if they don't see them then

2819
02:22:00,990 --> 02:21:57,159
there probably isn't any such thing

2820
02:22:03,899 --> 02:22:01,000
because they're up there and moreover

2821
02:22:06,420 --> 02:22:03,909
they've seen all kinds of odd things up

2822
02:22:09,570 --> 02:22:06,430
there and they no longer get excited by

2823
02:22:14,010 --> 02:22:09,580
weather balloons and lenticular clouds

2824
02:22:16,740 --> 02:22:14,020
and and fireball meteors and that sort

2825
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:16,750
of thing that their routine the veteran

2826
02:22:21,450 --> 02:22:19,210
pilots right and so when a veteran pilot

2827
02:22:24,330 --> 02:22:21,460
says you know this was totally different

2828
02:22:25,490 --> 02:22:24,340
from anything I've ever seen you have to

2829
02:22:30,030 --> 02:22:25,500
sit up and take notice

2830
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:30,040
but and say I don't cover that scene

2831
02:22:36,990 --> 02:22:35,290
these days and I I don't know to what

2832
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:37,000
extent they talk about it they give me

2833
02:22:43,530 --> 02:22:41,439
an example one of these career Air Force

2834
02:22:47,939 --> 02:22:43,540
pilots I made some reference to before

2835
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:47,949
and the one I called Chuck he had told

2836
02:22:52,859 --> 02:22:49,840
me about his sighting which was very

2837
02:22:55,740 --> 02:22:52,869
impressive in what well a dozen highly

2838
02:22:59,550 --> 02:22:55,750
trained officers airborne radar and

2839
02:23:01,920 --> 02:22:59,560
ground radar and when he was finished I

2840
02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:01,930
said listen you ever talk to your fellow

2841
02:23:07,160 --> 02:23:03,970
Air Force pilots about this sort of

2842
02:23:11,099 --> 02:23:07,170
thing he said sure and I said you ever

2843
02:23:13,469 --> 02:23:11,109
encounter one who has had forget the

2844
02:23:17,550 --> 02:23:13,479
exact language I use but this is close a

2845
02:23:19,859 --> 02:23:17,560
comparably impressive experience and he

2846
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:19,869
looked me right in the eye and said I

2847
02:23:29,070 --> 02:23:25,090
rarely run into one who hasn't whoa

2848
02:23:30,450 --> 02:23:29,080
and so and if they if these things are

2849
02:23:32,820 --> 02:23:30,460
up there these other guys are going to

2850
02:23:35,519 --> 02:23:32,830
see them yeah you know career killers if

2851
02:23:39,500 --> 02:23:35,529
you talk about them well they're afraid

2852
02:23:42,660 --> 02:23:39,510
to find out if their career filters so

2853
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:42,670
if I ever write that up and even though

2854
02:23:49,290 --> 02:23:46,090
chucks gone I don't know that I'll use

2855
02:23:53,820 --> 02:23:49,300
his name even you know but we did he

2856
02:23:55,679 --> 02:23:53,830
didn't ask me not to and so I could

2857
02:23:59,670 --> 02:23:55,689
without any qualms but I'm not sure I

2858
02:24:02,460 --> 02:23:59,680
would but yeah this is the sort of thing

2859
02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:02,470
you would expect those guys to talk

2860
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:06,489
about you don't talk about an absolutely

2861
02:24:12,300 --> 02:24:10,090
routine flight you just finished that's

2862
02:24:13,530 --> 02:24:12,310
not very interesting you know what's

2863
02:24:16,349 --> 02:24:13,540
interesting is that we have another

2864
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:16,359
segment left with Don Berliner joining

2865
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:19,930
gene and Chris you're in the para cast

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2875
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2876
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hi this is nuclear physicist lectures

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and Friedman you are listening to the

2971
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barricades the gold-standard

2972
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a paranormal radio Don Berliner is

2973
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joining us with Jean and Chris on the

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power castes answering listener

2975
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questions posted forum dot the power

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cast calm in the place we called the

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question Bank when we have enough

2978
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warning of a guess and sometimes we only

2979
02:29:17,189 --> 02:29:15,340
know within hours we post this segment

2980
02:29:19,260 --> 02:29:17,199
there Chris any more questions for this

2981
02:29:20,819 --> 02:29:19,270
final segment yeah we've got a bunch

2982
02:29:21,989 --> 02:29:20,829
done you brought him out of the woodwork

2983
02:29:24,149 --> 02:29:21,999
we're not gonna be able to get to

2984
02:29:26,849 --> 02:29:24,159
everybody but Eric the red has another

2985
02:29:28,710 --> 02:29:26,859
interesting question here that might

2986
02:29:32,699 --> 02:29:28,720
give us a little bit of an insight of

2987
02:29:35,580 --> 02:29:32,709
what you're thinking is now decades into

2988
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:35,590
this interest in UFOs or you ApS

2989
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:38,800
he asks on a scale of one to ten one

2990
02:29:42,599 --> 02:29:41,050
being a certainty that there's nothing

2991
02:29:45,540 --> 02:29:42,609
to this phenomenon and ten being

2992
02:29:47,580 --> 02:29:45,550
certainty that there is how convinced

2993
02:29:50,189 --> 02:29:47,590
are you that there is something real and

2994
02:29:52,260 --> 02:29:50,199
non-human in origin behind this

2995
02:29:56,760 --> 02:29:52,270
phenomenon and could you explain your

2996
02:30:01,969 --> 02:29:56,770
thinking yeah short of seeing proof

2997
02:30:05,969 --> 02:30:01,979
meaning hardware or verifiable

2998
02:30:08,340 --> 02:30:05,979
government reports or verifiable

2999
02:30:12,500 --> 02:30:08,350
photographs that really show something

3000
02:30:19,649 --> 02:30:12,510
I'm convinced but me is eight or nine

3001
02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:19,659
lamento Gale and moving from where I am

3002
02:30:24,979 --> 02:30:24,010
to being absolutely convinced is a big

3003
02:30:29,309 --> 02:30:24,989
step

3004
02:30:33,149 --> 02:30:29,319
I'm getting tired of not taking it but I

3005
02:30:36,330 --> 02:30:33,159
can't honestly do that until I have more

3006
02:30:38,969 --> 02:30:36,340
no it would be nice if one landed on the

3007
02:30:41,399 --> 02:30:38,979
White House lawn and maybe anal probe

3008
02:30:43,739 --> 02:30:41,409
duh you know some of the White House

3009
02:30:45,689 --> 02:30:43,749
staffers or something you know before we

3010
02:30:47,519 --> 02:30:45,699
go on with that question and the

3011
02:30:50,139 --> 02:30:47,529
implications are fascinating we can also

3012
02:30:51,909 --> 02:30:50,149
include Congress done what kind of

3013
02:30:57,410 --> 02:30:51,919
evidence do you need to make the leap

3014
02:30:58,710 --> 02:30:57,420
well physical proof would be the best

3015
02:31:02,699 --> 02:30:58,720
[Music]

3016
02:31:06,760 --> 02:31:02,709
material that is absolutely not

3017
02:31:10,210 --> 02:31:06,770
terrestrial and not just because it

3018
02:31:13,569 --> 02:31:10,220
doesn't look familiar to me I'm not an

3019
02:31:16,439 --> 02:31:13,579
expert in material but it has to be

3020
02:31:21,880 --> 02:31:16,449
determined by specialists in the field

3021
02:31:25,300 --> 02:31:21,890
metallurgist and it has to be so

3022
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:25,310
different not just a slight variation on

3023
02:31:32,519 --> 02:31:28,130
something familiar has to be completely

3024
02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:32,529
different that would be the best that or

3025
02:31:40,960 --> 02:31:38,050
good detailed photographs of not so much

3026
02:31:45,489 --> 02:31:40,970
materials may be a complete craft but

3027
02:31:50,170 --> 02:31:45,499
bodies and photographs whose origins

3028
02:31:53,559 --> 02:31:50,180
were clear and who would being backed up

3029
02:31:55,359 --> 02:31:53,569
by testimony of trustworthy people right

3030
02:31:58,569 --> 02:31:55,369
and then evidence we've had everything

3031
02:32:01,540 --> 02:31:58,579
up to that and we've had offers or

3032
02:32:04,029 --> 02:32:01,550
claims of that all of that that had

3033
02:32:06,159 --> 02:32:04,039
turned out to be dust is there a reason

3034
02:32:09,130 --> 02:32:06,169
you think why we always seem to get to

3035
02:32:11,050 --> 02:32:09,140
the 75th percentile here that we never

3036
02:32:14,859 --> 02:32:11,060
get all the way with the evidence we

3037
02:32:17,769 --> 02:32:14,869
need to prove UFO reality I don't think

3038
02:32:19,899 --> 02:32:17,779
there's just one reason I think the

3039
02:32:24,550 --> 02:32:19,909
government has done a marvelous job of

3040
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:24,560
keeping us from it I once did a paper

3041
02:32:34,719 --> 02:32:30,010
for a MUFON conference on a hypothetical

3042
02:32:37,599 --> 02:32:34,729
crash retrieval system before the

3043
02:32:40,510 --> 02:32:37,609
government how it would go about

3044
02:32:44,739 --> 02:32:40,520
investigating a report of a crash and

3045
02:32:48,819 --> 02:32:44,749
then keeping everything quiet and it

3046
02:32:52,899 --> 02:32:48,829
became pretty complicated and not

3047
02:32:55,689 --> 02:32:52,909
guaranteed to work every time so you

3048
02:33:00,309 --> 02:32:55,699
know maybe the next time one of them

3049
02:33:04,090 --> 02:33:00,319
crashes a network TV news team gets

3050
02:33:07,599 --> 02:33:04,100
there first and films it all in situ

3051
02:33:10,029 --> 02:33:07,609
and grab some of it and get to the

3052
02:33:14,859 --> 02:33:10,039
laboratories you know and now gets the

3053
02:33:18,489 --> 02:33:14,869
heck out of Dodge yeah that's uh but oh

3054
02:33:20,349 --> 02:33:18,499
I think probably the aliens have

3055
02:33:23,829 --> 02:33:20,359
something to do with it I've often

3056
02:33:26,920 --> 02:33:23,839
wondered why if it was an alien craft

3057
02:33:31,029 --> 02:33:26,930
that crashed at Roswell the alien has

3058
02:33:33,609 --> 02:33:31,039
been recovered themselves no I always

3059
02:33:35,859 --> 02:33:33,619
think in terms of Roswell still the

3060
02:33:39,609 --> 02:33:35,869
possibility it was really some kind of

3061
02:33:41,649 --> 02:33:39,619
military experimental craft and the rest

3062
02:33:45,130 --> 02:33:41,659
is just due to the memories and the

3063
02:33:48,130 --> 02:33:45,140
cultural impact of the UFO mystery upon

3064
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:48,140
the public and sci-fi films well you

3065
02:33:55,029 --> 02:33:52,010
know I I had long long talks with dr.

3066
02:34:01,389 --> 02:33:55,039
Jesse Marcel son of the intelligence

3067
02:34:03,279 --> 02:34:01,399
officer and he saw wreckage that his

3068
02:34:06,429 --> 02:34:03,289
father brought back from the crash site

3069
02:34:09,819 --> 02:34:06,439
and he could describe it in considerable

3070
02:34:13,090 --> 02:34:09,829
detail and the details didn't vary from

3071
02:34:16,359 --> 02:34:13,100
one conversation to the next so he I

3072
02:34:21,670 --> 02:34:16,369
don't see it he was influenced by much

3073
02:34:25,899 --> 02:34:21,680
of anything there but yeah sure all

3074
02:34:31,239 --> 02:34:25,909
memories are contaminated to some extent

3075
02:34:34,599 --> 02:34:31,249
I suppose and so but I say I think there

3076
02:34:39,340 --> 02:34:34,609
are a number of elements in Walled in

3077
02:34:42,550 --> 02:34:39,350
our failure to come up with proof but

3078
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:42,560
part of it is that to my knowledge

3079
02:34:49,179 --> 02:34:45,050
there's no set up and move on or

3080
02:34:54,670 --> 02:34:49,189
anywhere else to get a team of really

3081
02:34:59,260 --> 02:34:54,680
top-notch people to a crash site rapidly

3082
02:35:03,939 --> 02:34:59,270
with equipment and maybe beat the feds

3083
02:35:06,159 --> 02:35:03,949
to it I'm afraid that gonna happen and

3084
02:35:07,659 --> 02:35:06,169
we won't do anything about it well if it

3085
02:35:09,819 --> 02:35:07,669
does happen it's Robert Bigelow and

3086
02:35:12,849 --> 02:35:09,829
we'll never see or hear the light of day

3087
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:12,859
of the event yeah what do you think of

3088
02:35:17,469 --> 02:35:15,770
cars the cloris cases in the end of the

3089
02:35:21,760 --> 02:35:17,479
70s down in the mouth of the M

3090
02:35:24,159 --> 02:35:21,770
in Brazil and operation saucer and the

3091
02:35:26,819 --> 02:35:24,169
Brazilian Air Force's efforts to get to

3092
02:35:29,920 --> 02:35:26,829
the bottom of some pretty horrific

3093
02:35:31,119 --> 02:35:29,930
accounts of people being zapped by what

3094
02:35:31,989 --> 02:35:31,129
appeared to be some sort of particle

3095
02:35:34,239 --> 02:35:31,999
beam-weapons

3096
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:34,249
are you familiar with with the Clara's

3097
02:35:38,529 --> 02:35:36,319
case and do you think that that

3098
02:35:41,170 --> 02:35:38,539
constitutes the type of case that would

3099
02:35:43,329 --> 02:35:41,180
be slam dunk evidence of something out

3100
02:35:45,819 --> 02:35:43,339
there who are coming in interacting with

3101
02:35:48,039 --> 02:35:45,829
us you know hi I'm not really familiar

3102
02:35:51,399 --> 02:35:48,049
with the exception very general terms

3103
02:35:55,209 --> 02:35:51,409
and the South American case has always

3104
02:35:57,760 --> 02:35:55,219
bothered us at night app because people

3105
02:36:01,109 --> 02:35:57,770
there were reporting things that people

3106
02:36:05,019 --> 02:36:01,119
from other parts of the world weren't I

3107
02:36:07,869 --> 02:36:05,029
mean they weren't happening we don't

3108
02:36:12,429 --> 02:36:07,879
know what the aliens are up to if

3109
02:36:14,189 --> 02:36:12,439
anything and so they may treat one part

3110
02:36:19,989 --> 02:36:14,199
of the world differently from another

3111
02:36:23,829 --> 02:36:19,999
but again we would need proof of these

3112
02:36:28,389 --> 02:36:23,839
things and but nobody is to my knowledge

3113
02:36:30,159 --> 02:36:28,399
is set up to go tearing down there every

3114
02:36:34,479 --> 02:36:30,169
time somebody claims something

3115
02:36:39,670 --> 02:36:34,489
potentially interesting right again it's

3116
02:36:41,949 --> 02:36:39,680
a funding problem and you know last

3117
02:36:45,550 --> 02:36:41,959
minute airline tickets are expensive and

3118
02:36:48,399 --> 02:36:45,560
people usually can't get away on such

3119
02:36:52,659 --> 02:36:48,409
short notice and but I think we need a

3120
02:36:56,439 --> 02:36:52,669
rapid response team made up of really

3121
02:37:00,340 --> 02:36:56,449
good people and it's not highly

3122
02:37:04,239 --> 02:37:00,350
experienced they practice a lot and so

3123
02:37:05,739 --> 02:37:04,249
as national disaster teams do they

3124
02:37:07,989 --> 02:37:05,749
haven't really thought this through but

3125
02:37:12,309 --> 02:37:07,999
we need some kind of a Rapid Response

3126
02:37:14,920 --> 02:37:12,319
system so that we can get people to the

3127
02:37:16,170 --> 02:37:14,930
scene before it's all trampled by

3128
02:37:18,699 --> 02:37:16,180
tourists

3129
02:37:20,559 --> 02:37:18,709
we'd also probably need billionaires

3130
02:37:23,260 --> 02:37:20,569
like Warren Buffett or Bill Gates or

3131
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:23,270
Paul Allen to do it listen Don Berliner

3132
02:37:26,689 --> 02:37:24,930
we're just about out of time

3133
02:37:29,120 --> 02:37:26,699
do you have any place online where

3134
02:37:31,609 --> 02:37:29,130
people can find out more about you no

3135
02:37:35,719 --> 02:37:31,619
I'm not involved in any of the social

3136
02:37:37,429 --> 02:37:35,729
media or anything like that I join your

3137
02:37:42,050 --> 02:37:37,439
foot Facebook and then couldn't remember

3138
02:37:50,689 --> 02:37:42,060
why I think that applies to about 50

3139
02:37:54,109 --> 02:37:50,699
million people but if people really want

3140
02:37:57,380 --> 02:37:54,119
to get in touch with me they can I live

3141
02:37:59,719 --> 02:37:57,390
in Alexandria Virginia there's a clue

3142
02:38:01,429 --> 02:37:59,729
okay and by the way the other way of it

3143
02:38:04,550 --> 02:38:01,439
of course if you write us at the power

3144
02:38:07,189 --> 02:38:04,560
cast wait will ya possibly give it to

3145
02:38:09,380 --> 02:38:07,199
him in terms of finding people you can

3146
02:38:11,870 --> 02:38:09,390
find the power cast on Twitter speaking

3147
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3148
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3149
02:38:19,460 --> 02:38:16,590
there are two power cast fan clubs on

3150
02:38:22,429 --> 02:38:19,470
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3151
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O'Brien site is our strange planet calm

3152
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his latest book stalking the herd if you

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I'll number then how bout that

3155
02:38:37,189 --> 02:38:34,680
Don Berliner glad to meet you thank you

3156
02:38:38,659 --> 02:38:37,199
for watching wise yo thanks for being on

3157
02:38:41,269 --> 02:38:38,669
Don it's been a real honor to have you

3158
02:38:45,229 --> 02:38:41,279
on the show well I enjoyed it and I'm

3159
02:38:54,410 --> 02:38:45,239
glad I decided to do it so are we yep we

3160
02:39:00,810 --> 02:38:57,930
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3161
02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:00,820
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3162
02:39:07,530 --> 02:39:03,840
presentation of making the impossible